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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 8:52 pm 
Anonymous wrote:
Stevo.
that you have to have a cab to be wheelchair accessible is a myth perpetuated by those who insist on creating unneccesary barriers.
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Its not a myth strange fellow its a consequence of the ideal that the way forward is single tier, as that single tier would be all HC and therefore all WAV.

If I were a conspiracy theorist I may suggest that you are looking to profit from all of those drivers who couldn't afford to buy or finance a WAV, maybe even employ them paying NMW and adopting a dictator style of (mis) management.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 8:56 pm 
Sussex wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
IT APPLIES TO EVERY BUISNESS IN THE uk

every single one!

Well not till next week.

However if the gov haven't come across with a proper taxi WAV spec in the 9 years since the DDA, then I'm quite sure it will be a while before they start looking at the PH trade. :wink:


Unless of course PH is abolished and everyone is given a HC plate.

A case of having your cake and eating it when you consider opinions previously voiced.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 9:00 pm 
Anonymous wrote:
If I were a conspiracy theorist I may suggest that you are looking to profit from all of those drivers who couldn't afford to buy or finance a WAV, maybe even employ them paying NMW and adopting a dictator style of (mis) management.

That's no different from what happens now, where there are many who can't afford WAVs or plate premiums, so they have to work for operators.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 9:01 pm 
Anonymous wrote:
Unless of course PH is abolished and everyone is given a HC plate.

A case of having your cake and eating it when you consider opinions previously voiced.

PH will never be abolished, but taxis quotas will.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 12:23 am 
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Stevo.
that you have to have a cab to be wheelchair accessible is a myth perpetuated by those who insist on creating unneccesary barriers.
:wink:


Its not a myth strange fellow its a consequence of the ideal that the way forward is single tier, as that single tier would be all HC and therefore all WAV.

If I were a conspiracy theorist I may suggest that you are looking to profit from all of those drivers who couldn't afford to buy or finance a WAV, maybe even employ them paying NMW and adopting a dictator style of (mis) management.




you dont have to have a cab to be Wheelchair Accessible is the point there are many salloon types that will take a wheelchair

but those like Mick the spray on tan seller doesnt like this

so part timers have all the say :roll:


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 12:28 am 
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Anonymous wrote:
no you are wrong, public transport is just that not coaches, not charter planes.

the dark ages began with the misc provisions act, private hire is private transport, that is not public, how the hell can private hire be public.

lets go to one code, then such like as you can follow what it means.


Private Hire is private transport ?
Why then is their a requirement in law that PUBLIC LIABILITY COVER is attached to a insurance policy when the vehicle is used for hire and reward.

However you feel mate PH is part of the public transport system and should be included in every area's Transport Strategy Plan.

The role PH undertake within the public transport system is pivitol to supply a demand responsive transport solution the public can rely on.

So Mr Guest are you still sure that PH is not part of the public transport system, or do you need every word explained to you so you can properly understand.



any buisness like private clubs need public liability they refer to it as anybody who is not a member of your family, in that it covers anybody

but private hire is that private hire, you cant pick up anywhere anytime can you?

private hire can make a contract with anybody they choose.

you are that thick arnt you?


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 7:26 am 
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but private hire is that private hire, you cant pick up anywhere anytime can you?

private hire can make a contract with anybody they choose.

What do you think we do if we don't pick up anywhere at anytime?

As for the contract with whom we choose, the DDA doesn't give us that freedom.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 9:04 am 
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Anonymous wrote:
If I were a conspiracy theorist I may suggest that you are looking to profit from all of those drivers who couldn't afford to buy or finance a WAV, maybe even employ them paying NMW and adopting a dictator style of (mis) management.

That's no different from what happens now, where there are many who can't afford WAVs or plate premiums, so they have to work for operators.


NO NO matey.

Those who currently can't afford a WAV or a plate premium go PH, with their own vehicle ....... and if they've got any sense work for a PH operator.

Here we have an argument from a person adamant he his a HC operator, who goes off the deep end when its suggested he is a PH operator (as if that would be beneath him), who is calling for single tier in order to force the people involved in the trade in his area to work for him on a PAYE basis with him paying them NMW.

This person is a parasite, its OK to have people working for you if they are treated properly and paid well, I doubt very much that this leech does either.

He can continue to resort to schoolboy namecalling if he wishes, I just think that he is making himself sound a fool.

Has anyone ever thought of the implications of having a single tier PH, where current ranks are put out to tender and PH operators have a responsibility to always have adequate WAV's available.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 9:16 am 
Anonymous wrote:
any buisness like private clubs need public liability they refer to it as anybody who is not a member of your family, in that it covers anybody


Yes I know and understand what the word public means, however PRIVATE clubs do not need PUBLIC liability insurance, they just need liability cover.

I don't understand why you would make such a comparison when you fail to accept the fact that PH carry the general public and so are part of the public transport system. Everyone else recognises why they are, and should be, included but I suppose that it defects from your profiteering and scaremongering.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 12:47 pm 
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
If I were a conspiracy theorist I may suggest that you are looking to profit from all of those drivers who couldn't afford to buy or finance a WAV, maybe even employ them paying NMW and adopting a dictator style of (mis) management.

That's no different from what happens now, where there are many who can't afford WAVs or plate premiums, so they have to work for operators.


NO NO matey.

Those who currently can't afford a WAV or a plate premium go PH, with their own vehicle ....... and if they've got any sense work for a PH operator.

Here we have an argument from a person adamant he his a HC operator, who goes off the deep end when its suggested he is a PH operator (as if that would be beneath him), who is calling for single tier in order to force the people involved in the trade in his area to work for him on a PAYE basis with him paying them NMW.

This person is a parasite, its OK to have people working for you if they are treated properly and paid well, I doubt very much that this leech does either.

He can continue to resort to schoolboy namecalling if he wishes, I just think that he is making himself sound a fool.

Has anyone ever thought of the implications of having a single tier PH, where current ranks are put out to tender and PH operators have a responsibility to always have adequate WAV's available.




you talk stupid and do so consistently

my office is not open to all commer drivers

I do not have to explain anything to spray on tan salesmen.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 12:49 pm 
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
any buisness like private clubs need public liability they refer to it as anybody who is not a member of your family, in that it covers anybody


Yes I know and understand what the word public means, however PRIVATE clubs do not need PUBLIC liability insurance, they just need liability cover.

I don't understand why you would make such a comparison when you fail to accept the fact that PH carry the general public and so are part of the public transport system. Everyone else recognises why they are, and should be, included but I suppose that it defects from your profiteering and scaremongering.




yes they do, private clubs do need public liability

your arguments are stupid.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 4:08 pm 
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Has anyone ever thought of the implications of having a single tier PH, where current ranks are put out to tender and PH operators have a responsibility to always have adequate WAV's available.

I don't think that's far off what we have at present.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 4:43 pm 
Anonymous wrote:
yes they do, private clubs do need public liability

your arguments are stupid.


Oh my good god. I had no idea we were in the prescence of great debators.

Do you not feel as though you need to include any justification to your statements, or can you not find any.

Private Hire are part of the public transport system, it says so in all of the Local Transport Plans published, but because some looney decides HE thinks they shouldn't be then they aren't.

I have no idea how many people are taking part in this discussion but I can only assume that very few agree with your standpoint.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 5:48 pm 
Anonymous wrote:
I have no idea how many people are taking part in this discussion but I can only assume that very few agree with your standpoint.

You assume right. Even the most anti PH/minicab taxi drivers, think that all licensed vehicles are part of the public transport network.

And a fine part at that. :wink:


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 8:51 pm 
so to sum this up, the government would like to see

a one tier system, name not important HC or PH

everyone is the same, ie can work the streets, take bookings, work for oerators.

everyone needs a WAV

Anyone can run a taxi, no limits

So overnight, all premiums paid for plates are worthless, working the streets only, finished due to everyone being able to pick up now. Have to work for an operator, suspect rents going up there, have to buy a WAV, suspect prices going up there.

When they deregulated the buses, a number off small bus companies started, lasted for months, systematically being targeted by the big boys in the game. Whats to stop the big companies now coming in and flooding the market with fleets of taxis, literally taking over. Remember these guys can afford to make losses of millions before turning a profit, by flooding the cities and towns with more taxis than whats needed, no one will make money and the likes of me and you will be forded out. Could this happen?.


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