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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 9:37 pm 
No, simply because they won't get the drivers.

There is little evidence to suggest that the taxi market is structured differently in locations that are numerically unrestricted.

That's not to say that there aren't 'big boys' operation in either scenario, but it's not really got anything to do with numerical controls.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 9:51 pm 
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When they deregulated the buses, a number off small bus companies started, lasted for months, systematically being targeted by the big boys in the game. Whats to stop the big companies now coming in and flooding the market with fleets of taxis, literally taking over.

But the bus companies are in the taxi game already, yet I would say that 95% of the UK's taxi/PH drivers are self-employed.

The PH trade is de-limited, always has been, so why, if your doom and gloom senario is correct, aren't all PHs run by the multi-nationals? :?

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sussex plc? :shock:


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sussex plc? :shock:

That has quite a good ring to it. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 1:20 am 
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yes they do, private clubs do need public liability

your arguments are stupid.


Oh my good god. I had no idea we were in the prescence of great debators.

Do you not feel as though you need to include any justification to your statements, or can you not find any.

Private Hire are part of the public transport system, it says so in all of the Local Transport Plans published, but because some looney decides HE thinks they shouldn't be then they aren't.

I have no idea how many people are taking part in this discussion but I can only assume that very few agree with your standpoint.


i DONT NEED AGREEMENT AND i DONT NEED YOUR APPROVAL.

the transport plan is not all about public transport in fact the vast majority of it isnt.

no To you I dont have to justify statements, because next you will say it was only your opinion when you publish this driver as fact.

there aint many that would be daft enough to even try to argue that private transport is public, let alone aggree

and what stupid examples you give to back up such a weak argument an insurance cover note and a transport plan.

neither of which you understand

make no wonder you are down to selling spray on tan!


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 1:27 am 
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so to sum this up, the government would like to see

a one tier system, name not important HC or PH

everyone is the same, ie can work the streets, take bookings, work for oerators.

everyone needs a WAV

Anyone can run a taxi, no limits

So overnight, all premiums paid for plates are worthless, working the streets only, finished due to everyone being able to pick up now. Have to work for an operator, suspect rents going up there, have to buy a WAV, suspect prices going up there.

When they deregulated the buses, a number off small bus companies started, lasted for months, systematically being targeted by the big boys in the game. Whats to stop the big companies now coming in and flooding the market with fleets of taxis, literally taking over. Remember these guys can afford to make losses of millions before turning a profit, by flooding the cities and towns with more taxis than whats needed, no one will make money and the likes of me and you will be forded out. Could this happen?.



so the answer is abuse the law and run protection rackets eh?

stick to selling spray on tan

the big boys are taking over and the weakest are going to the wall

like you did!


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:07 am 
The big boys in some areas are taking over, but only because the small boys are selling out for big money.

I think they call that the real world.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:19 am 
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i DONT NEED AGREEMENT AND i DONT NEED YOUR APPROVAL.


Because you are god within your own organisation?

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the transport plan is not all about public transport in fact the vast majority of it isnt.


I have our LTP in front of me now, every part of it concerns public transport and includes PH.

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no To you I dont have to justify statements, because next you will say it was only your opinion when you publish this driver as fact.


That doesn't even make sense, however if you make statements as you continually do without justification, even if that justification is that it is your own opinion. You don't.

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and what stupid examples you give to back up such a weak argument an insurance cover note and a transport plan.


More evidence against your own argument. The LTP shows the intention your local authority when it comes to providing public transport systems to achieve a National objective to reduce car use. I believe that you don't want people to know about their local LTP as your using it as a blueprint for growth.
I didn't bring up insurance, you did, so to try and "spin" again shows your lack of respect for other people's opinions.

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neither of which you understand


Sorry mate, but how can you come out with that BS ............. you don't even know what it contains.

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make no wonder you are down to selling spray on tan!


I think you are confusing me with someone else, I'm a PH driver


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:22 am 
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so to sum this up, the government would like to see

a one tier system, name not important HC or PH

everyone is the same, ie can work the streets, take bookings, work for oerators.

everyone needs a WAV

Anyone can run a taxi, no limits

So overnight, all premiums paid for plates are worthless, working the streets only, finished due to everyone being able to pick up now. Have to work for an operator, suspect rents going up there, have to buy a WAV, suspect prices going up there.

When they deregulated the buses, a number off small bus companies started, lasted for months, systematically being targeted by the big boys in the game. Whats to stop the big companies now coming in and flooding the market with fleets of taxis, literally taking over. Remember these guys can afford to make losses of millions before turning a profit, by flooding the cities and towns with more taxis than whats needed, no one will make money and the likes of me and you will be forded out. Could this happen?.



so the answer is abuse the law and run protection rackets eh?

stick to selling spray on tan

the big boys are taking over and the weakest are going to the wall

like you did!


That wasn't me either, even though everything wrote is true.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:27 am 
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The big boys in some areas are taking over, but only because the small boys are selling out for big money.

I think they call that the real world.


The only problem is that the big boys usually are on the side of single tier and so have no need to buy HC plates. If your post was aimed at small PH operators selling out then that is down to them, I just wonder what the M&M commission would think. Its false economy anyway, buying an office full of drivers who don't want to work for the operator taking over will only lead to those drivers leaving and starting another office, its happened time and time again here.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 12:59 pm 
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i DONT NEED AGREEMENT AND i DONT NEED YOUR APPROVAL.



Sound like our council! :D


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 1:26 pm 
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Anonymous wrote:
so to sum this up, the government would like to see

a one tier system, name not important HC or PH

everyone is the same, ie can work the streets, take bookings, work for oerators.

everyone needs a WAV

Anyone can run a taxi, no limits

So overnight, all premiums paid for plates are worthless, working the streets only, finished due to everyone being able to pick up now. Have to work for an operator, suspect rents going up there, have to buy a WAV, suspect prices going up there.

When they deregulated the buses, a number off small bus companies started, lasted for months, systematically being targeted by the big boys in the game. Whats to stop the big companies now coming in and flooding the market with fleets of taxis, literally taking over. Remember these guys can afford to make losses of millions before turning a profit, by flooding the cities and towns with more taxis than whats needed, no one will make money and the likes of me and you will be forded out. Could this happen?.


And where are all these tens of thousands of WAV vehicles going to come from? LTI and Allied may be rubbing their grubby hands together, but with a market that big i'm sure we would see many more coach building companies jumping on the band wagon, some good but many bad with over priced junk. Perhaps even one of the big car makers could start taking an interest, now that would give LTI shock.

Right now there are many who can not afford to buy a £30K WAV as they would simply not see the return. Its OK for us city types where we already have a black cab HC fleet, but you must remember that many if not most rural area have a HC fleet consisting of saloons.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 6:20 pm 
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The only problem is that the big boys usually are on the side of single tier and so have no need to buy HC plates.

I think the big PH boys in restricted areas will be more than happy for those areas to stay restricted.

The last thing they want is PH drivers leaving them in droves to either go it alone, or start their own circuits.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:40 pm 
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so to sum this up, the government would like to see

a one tier system, name not important HC or PH

everyone is the same, ie can work the streets, take bookings, work for oerators.

everyone needs a WAV

Anyone can run a taxi, no limits

So overnight, all premiums paid for plates are worthless, working the streets only, finished due to everyone being able to pick up now. Have to work for an operator, suspect rents going up there, have to buy a WAV, suspect prices going up there.

When they deregulated the buses, a number off small bus companies started, lasted for months, systematically being targeted by the big boys in the game. Whats to stop the big companies now coming in and flooding the market with fleets of taxis, literally taking over. Remember these guys can afford to make losses of millions before turning a profit, by flooding the cities and towns with more taxis than whats needed, no one will make money and the likes of me and you will be forded out. Could this happen?.



so the answer is abuse the law and run protection rackets eh?

stick to selling spray on tan

the big boys are taking over and the weakest are going to the wall

like you did!


You must be mistaking me with someone else, nothing in my statements mentioned corruption, just the fact that if you look around, there are not many small businesses left, i have never sold spray on tan, although the amount of times you mention it, you obviously have some sort of kick for it and i am still not quite at the wall yet.

It seems that its everywhere, even shops are now being told to cater for the wheel chair user, suprisingly in the nearly 3 years i have been a taxi driver i have had only 1 wheel chair customer, mind you i have noticed countless empty disabled car park places while the rest of us scrap about for that elusive empty bay, this is insanity gone balistic, yes there should be provison for wheelchair users but in context to their proportion in numbers of disabled to able bodied people.

But then again if the councils decide that just because two nights of the week, the taxis cannot cope with the volume of people and disperse them in a desired time, then fill the streets with taxis, it does not matter what the taxi drivers do for the other 5 nights never mind during the day, not interested in how long we wait for customers, no as long as we get the idiots off the streets so they can abuse us, throw food around, swear and be sick and in some cases attack us just for doing our job, no don't worry about us.

:wink: Derek


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 1:47 pm 
Dereck,
there is something here.
someone claims to have a transport plan in front of them, and quoting from it.

indeed I dont doubt that the plan talks about reduction of car use I just doubt that the reader understands it.

its a bidding doccument for new roads and improve roads?

and all for the use of public transport?

I dont think so!


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