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C'mon peeps what else should be banned??

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I think the smoking ban should be reviewed to help improve the income of the pubs.

I don't suppose for one minute that the recession has anything whatsoever to do with the low turn-outs at pubs for the last several months.

When we are out of this recession, so will the pubs be.


Well I don't know about your area but we had pubs closing left, right and centre before the recession hit us, that just made things worse. I pick up lots more people who now go to each others houses to drink and the comments made are usually that the drink is cheaper from the super markets, you get to choose your company and there's no problem about smoking. I've even been to quite a few pick ups where people have converted their garages into mini bars for friends to gather in. Obviously it's the recession that's spurred this trend on but I can see it staying after the economy recovers. Personally I don't care where I get the punters from so long as I get some :D

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I think the smoking ban should be reviewed to help improve the income of the pubs. Perhaps a mixture of pubs some that have smoking and some that don't. Perhaps those that serve food should maybe not allow smoking. Who knows what the best solution is, but, I can't help but think that the smoking ban has certainly had an adverse effect on things, more so than they originally thought. It is of course not the only thing to affect the economy or our income


You may think that Toots, but it will never, ever, happen.

The smoking ban is here for good, like it or not, and will eventually be extended to all public spaces.

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I think the smoking ban should be reviewed to help improve the income of the pubs. Perhaps a mixture of pubs some that have smoking and some that don't. Perhaps those that serve food should maybe not allow smoking. Who knows what the best solution is, but, I can't help but think that the smoking ban has certainly had an adverse effect on things, more so than they originally thought. It is of course not the only thing to affect the economy or our income


You may think that Toots, but it will never, ever, happen.

The smoking ban is here for good, like it or not, and will eventually be extended to all public spaces.


It may one day, as the governments realises that it is loosing large amounts of duty revenue daily with pubs closing on a daily basis, and in some areas instead of the police being able to control the public in a given area they are now finding that they have to try and control the whole of the town due to folk buying there drink 80% cheaper from the supermarkets and staying at home, causing more domestic incidents.
If they had said when they brought in the ban that it was only for places that sold food and that other outlets could decide for themselves that would have been better.
I bet that the next thing will be they hammer the supermarket with massive duty rises as we the public are not allowed to enjoy ourselves
At least a publican can control the amount you drink


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If places were given the option there is no doubt that ALL of them would have opted to continue to let people smoke. The outright ban is the only way that it works. I have just come back from Spain and every bar that we saw had opted to allow smoking. I hate getting home at night and all you can smell is ciggarettes on your clothes and hair.

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If places were given the option there is no doubt that ALL of them would have opted to continue to let people smoke. The outright ban is the only way that it works. I have just come back from Spain and every bar that we saw had opted to allow smoking. I hate getting home at night and all you can smell is ciggarettes on your clothes and hair.



For me it's about choice, I accept there should be non smoking places, but there should also be smoking ones as well, in bigger pubs with two bars they could've made one bar non and one bar smoking, all that would be needed is the two bars to be cut off by way of a wall effectively operating like two pubs.

Another thing I notice now is how non smokers insist on standing near you and then giving you a dirty look even though you were there first and had made every provision to not inflict smoke on anyone else, I notice it all the time now and it won't be long before I'll resort to saying something like.....mate, I've been out here ten minutes now go stand in the other surrounding 10 miles of space where no one is smoking, it's the same scenario of those who insist on parking next to you in a car park when there's no other cars in it, maybe if we'd passed a law to prevent Blair marrying an alien from outer space he'd have known banning smoking was wrong for the smokers and the economy, make no mistake about it pubs have been going under ever since the ban came in and before the recession, I could show you at least 20 locally that are now levelled or blocks of flats now.


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jimbo wrote:
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I think the smoking ban should be reviewed to help improve the income of the pubs. Perhaps a mixture of pubs some that have smoking and some that don't. Perhaps those that serve food should maybe not allow smoking. Who knows what the best solution is, but, I can't help but think that the smoking ban has certainly had an adverse effect on things, more so than they originally thought. It is of course not the only thing to affect the economy or our income


You may think that Toots, but it will never, ever, happen.

The smoking ban is here for good, like it or not, and will eventually be extended to all public spaces.


Personally I'm not bothered whether we can or cannot smoke in public places but I fail to see what other public places there are left to ban smoking in other than the street

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I think the smoking ban should be reviewed to help improve the income of the pubs. Perhaps a mixture of pubs some that have smoking and some that don't. Perhaps those that serve food should maybe not allow smoking. Who knows what the best solution is, but, I can't help but think that the smoking ban has certainly had an adverse effect on things, more so than they originally thought. It is of course not the only thing to affect the economy or our income


You may think that Toots, but it will never, ever, happen.

The smoking ban is here for good, like it or not, and will eventually be extended to all public spaces.


Personally I'm not bothered whether we can or cannot smoke in public places but I fail to see what other public places there are left to ban smoking in other than the street



Yes indeed.

I did say SPACES, and not places.

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If places were given the option there is no doubt that ALL of them would have opted to continue to let people smoke. The outright ban is the only way that it works. I have just come back from Spain and every bar that we saw had opted to allow smoking. I hate getting home at night and all you can smell is ciggarettes on your clothes and hair.



For me it's about choice, I accept there should be non smoking places, but there should also be smoking ones as well, in bigger pubs with two bars they could've made one bar non and one bar smoking, all that would be needed is the two bars to be cut off by way of a wall effectively operating like two pubs.

Another thing I notice now is how non smokers insist on standing near you and then giving you a dirty look even though you were there first and had made every provision to not inflict smoke on anyone else, I notice it all the time now and it won't be long before I'll resort to saying something like.....mate, I've been out here ten minutes now go stand in the other surrounding 10 miles of space where no one is smoking, it's the same scenario of those who insist on parking next to you in a car park when there's no other cars in it, maybe if we'd passed a law to prevent Blair marrying an alien from outer space he'd have known banning smoking was wrong for the smokers and the economy, make no mistake about it pubs have been going under ever since the ban came in and before the recession, I could show you at least 20 locally that are now levelled or blocks of flats now.


You can wish for all that, but it will never happen. Ever again.

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It's a continual surprise to me, the arrogance of smokers. It is clear though that not only does tobacco rot the lungs of users, it also rots the brain. There used to be a joke around that non smokers should leave smokers alone, because after all, smokers pay 90% tax on all the fags they buy, and then die before they are old enough to draw their old age pension.

I may have found this adage amusing until a few months ago. My brother, a lifelong smoker, (from the age of ten) and a taxi driver for the last twenty years, told me he had been diagnosed with a particularly virulent form of lung cancer (small cell carcinoma) and was told he would not survive beyond Christmas. An unrepentant smoker, who never complained about his lot, he died two weeks ago. I was with him when he died, and wish that every unrepentant smoker on this site, and everywhere else had been there too.

John was 63 when he died and I miss him so much. So will his three Grandchildren who will barely remember him when they are older.

I had to make the telephone calls to relatives, I helped arrange his funeral, and read his eulogy too, which I was proud to do.

I am angry too. Suicide by cigarette, and government sponsored too.

Like it says on the packs, "Smoking Kills"

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That about says it all Jimbo. I'm sorry to hear about your loss but I am afraid that there are some who prefer not to see the damage that can be caused by smoking.

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That about says it all Jimbo. I'm sorry to hear about your loss but I am afraid that there are some who prefer not to see the damage that can be caused by smoking.


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For me it's about choice,

A choice to kill others? :?

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Some folk have smoked all there lives with no ill effects

But millions are killed. :sad:

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I hate getting home at night and all you can smell is ciggarettes on your clothes and hair.


Then you should exercise your right to stay in your non smoking home with a carry out :wink:

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