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An owner has just bought a Merc and it has one of those all over glass roofs that no sign will stick to, but its still being used as a cab, not PH
Would I be right that the sign must be there or the insurance is null and void
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Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 7:53 pm Post subject:

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Just get one fitted onto a roofrack bar. Plays havoc with the mpg, but if he can run a merc at present, that won't faze him.
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Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 7:53 pm Post subject:

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Here the conditions state a taxi must have an approved roofsign.
What's it say in yours?
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Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 7:56 pm Post subject:

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gusmac wrote:
Here the conditions state a taxi must have an approved roofsign.
What's it say in yours?


Just the same, and there is something in the 1982 act as well got to go for a run have a look and post it Guss
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Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 7:59 pm Post subject: Re: Whats the law regarding top signs

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skippy41 wrote:
An owner has just bought a Merc and it has one of those all over glass roofs that no sign will stick to, but its still being used as a cab, not PH

I don't think not having a top sign will invalidate the insurance, but it will be a breach of license.
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Shouldn't this be in the Scots section if we're referring to the Scottish act?

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Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:07 pm Post subject:

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double sided tape......
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skippy41



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Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:16 pm Post subject:

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captain cab wrote:
Shouldn't this be in the Scots section if we're referring to the Scottish act?

CC


No not really I think the same rule regarding top signs is the same both sides of the border
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Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:22 pm Post subject:

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skippy41 wrote:
captain cab wrote:
Shouldn't this be in the Scots section if we're referring to the Scottish act?

CC


No not really I think the same rule regarding top signs is the same both sides of the border


It aint

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Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:44 pm Post subject:

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Panoramic roof, the only solution is to fit bars and have a suspended approved sign, I'm almost certain he'll be breaking terms if he's swanning about with only a dash mounted for hire sign in the window.

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skippy41



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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 12:18 am Post subject:

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He only has the plates on nothing else
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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:38 am Post subject: Re: Whats the law regarding top signs

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skippy41 wrote:
An owner has just bought a Merc and it has one of those all over glass roofs that no sign will stick to, but its still being used as a cab, not PH
Would I be right that the sign must be there or the insurance is null and void


Use roof bars, a lad round our way has got a Peugeot with a nearly all glass roof, he fitted a roof bar so he could fit a top sign.
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gusmac



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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:58 am Post subject:

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skippy41 wrote:
gusmac wrote:
Here the conditions state a taxi must have an approved roofsign.
What's it say in yours?


Just the same, and there is something in the 1982 act as well got to go for a run have a look and post it Guss


Can't find anything in the 1982 act which mentions top signs, so it's down to your council's conditions.

BTW CC is right, this should be in the Scottish section.
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2 years ago i fetched a "frame" from the car factory at liverpool, took it to an engineering firm to be repaired and returned it, i lifted it with one hand, the guy said dont drop it its cost £30K

it sits on the boot of cars to hold rear spoilers while the adhesive sets


glue em on i say
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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:42 pm Post subject:

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It must be a somewhat exciting experience sliding along the road upside down in an accident with all that panoramic glass between you and the tarmac... a real toupee shredder

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Thats one big post Skip!!!

I have moved it to the best section to stop them over the border moaning

And now we're moaning it can't be followed properly.

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Im guessing it'll take a whole lot more than that then skip...

Thanks for moving it skippy.

What's insurance got to do with a roofsign?

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I am sure that i read somewhere that if you do not have your sign on the cab when your working and your involved in an accident your insurance will be null and void, there is also the fact that the public cannot properly identify your cab as a taxi, i know it happens all over the Uk with PH
Mind you I think loads complained to the taxi inspector and the cab has not been seen all week

I wonder if the car is insured when it isn't at work and the driver is using it for his private use?

A few drivers around here take the roofsigns off when they ain't at work, yet a taxi is a taxi 100% of the time.

I'm not so sure about the driver being uninsured in your case skip, but the chances are he's breaking a byelaw regarding roofsigns. If the roof is the type you say it is how did the car get through it's council test?

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We can get a new or replacement vehicle tested without the equipment being in the cab, the taxi inspector checks the rest when he checks the meter
I had a look at the roof and it has roof-bar sockets on the side and pointed that out to the driver

Then your cab inspector ain't doing his job right.

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Insurance is 'voidable' in the event of the licensing conditions not being complied with. Most H&R insurance policies will contain a clause 'providing the licensing conditions are met' or words to that effect.

A condition of the licence will be that the vehicle must display a roof sign.
Therefore, the insurance company could refuse cover if they wish.

IMHO, the refusal of cover would occur in the event of a claim for an incident in which the licence condition was considered material. EG An accident in a bus lane when a roof sign was not displayed and there was dispute about the vehicle's entitlement to be in a bus lane.

http://www.taxameter.nu/

Found a site that does signs for glass roofs
use google translator to have a look they have some interesting stuff