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Read the dft access to taxis report, there is not one taxis out there that is 100% accessible.And that includes TX,s.

If anyone had attended the DFT workshops they will know what i am saying

Until there is a vehicle that is 100% accessible there will not be a 100% wav policy.


Do disabled members of the Public refuse to get on a Train or Bus because they do not like the look of it or the steps too high, or they prefer not to travel backwards ??? I think not !!! So i bet there's neither a Train nor Bus thats accessible to all. But the Train and Bus Companies have at least tried to accomodate the disabled while, certain members of the National Taxi Trade, have only their self interest and finances at the forefront and, IMO always will ! I would like to know the National figures of how many Saloon Operators have made the transition to WAV since the implentation of The DDA in 1994...Anyone care to hazard a guess :?:
I cannot understand why anyone would actually choose to have a WAV [if they could choose], over a saloon. You could build a pure WAV just for the disabled. They would cost over 30k and then you would have no room for able bodied persons to get in or out due to the chair lift being in the way! We are not a charity organisation we are here to provide transport for all. If you feel you need to spend all your money on a vehicle like this then go ahead.
The reason why the government has not been heavy handed in implementing the all WAV approach is because there is not a vehicle out there to meet ALL disabled criteria. Then there is the driver who will put in a claim as soon as possible for back trouble because they have been forced to push a 15 stone person up a 1 in 3 slope into a WAV.
What about the drivers rights?
So all the do-Gooders out there put your money were your mouth is and purchase a 30k+ WAV and get 4 passengers a year. Good luck in your business because you are going to need it.
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I had a white paper given to me some years ago with all the recommendations.

A brief summary as I remember it was this

All WAV by 2012

Council can apply to keep mixed fleet

It's more a case of what they would like rather than what you will have, I suggest if the time comes everyone reading puts in an objection, this on a large scale should open some ears, the paper dated back to around 1994 iirc, so those that wrote it are probably not in those jobs anymore, and hopefully those that are now holding position will be able to see as long as there is enough WAV's on each fleet already that should be ok.


So where is the level of fairness ?? The higher priced vehicle and running costs of a WAV v the Saloon that's been to the moon and back, with a value of not even a WAV's monthly payment...Got to be challengeable in the Courts no....???




Not really, the saloon's were issued yonks ago, the WAV is a relatively new thing in the cab world, in all fairness there is a need for both so it makes sence to insist any new plate issued should be a WAV one to balance what's already there, where a saloon shouldn't have to become a WAV because at the time of issue it fullfilled it's contract of use and those were the terms of it's issue.
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Not really, the saloon's were issued yonks ago, the WAV is a relatively new thing in the cab world, in all fairness there is a need for both so it makes sence to insist any new plate issued should be a WAV one to balance what's already there, where a saloon shouldn't have to become a WAV because at the time of issue it fullfilled it's contract of use and those were the terms of it's issue.


That's correct....but given the high costs of operating a WAV in comparison to a saloon its a no brainer.

Even Button uses a strange expression....new owners will be 'so pleased to get a license' they wont mind buying a WAV.

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in all fairness there is a need for both


What of the areas that don't have saloon taxis do you think they should now only licence them, to balance things out :?

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in all fairness there is a need for both


What of the areas that don't have saloon taxis do you think they should now only licence them, to balance things out :?


I think we need to look at the Liverpool case very closely...

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in all fairness there is a need for both


What of the areas that don't have saloon taxis do you think they should now only licence them, to balance things out :?


I think we need to look at the Liverpool case very closely...

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That's twice you've said that and it's not even out yet :?

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in all fairness there is a need for both


What of the areas that don't have saloon taxis do you think they should now only licence them, to balance things out :?



I'd say to that that the drivers who used to have a saloon should have the option to still have one, a mixed fleet is so much better than an all WAV one, you have the social issues, the isolation issues, and the comfort issues, i.e in a WAV it's not so personal service as a saloon can offer, or to put it another way a WAV is effectively DHL Taxis, i.e sling it in the back and deliver it. :shock:
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in all fairness there is a need for both


What of the areas that don't have saloon taxis do you think they should now only licence them, to balance things out :?



I'd say to that that the drivers who used to have a saloon should have the option to still have one, a mixed fleet is so much better than an all WAV one, you have the social issues, the isolation issues, and the comfort issues, i.e in a WAV it's not so personal service as a saloon can offer, or to put it another way a WAV is effectively DHL Taxis, i.e sling it in the back and deliver it. :shock:


What do you mean the drivers that use to have a saloon :? Would that be the PH cos they are the only ones here that have saloon vehicles and it's been that way for a long long time

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I'd say to that that the drivers who used to have a saloon should have the option to still have one, a mixed fleet is so much better than an all WAV one, you have the social issues, the isolation issues, and the comfort issues, i.e in a WAV it's not so personal service as a saloon can offer, or to put it another way a WAV is effectively DHL Taxis, i.e sling it in the back and deliver it. :shock:


I think I'd like to see a judge consider this properly, how can someone be made to buy a £35K vehicle when another can buy a £10K one?

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I had a white paper given to me some years ago with all the recommendations.

A brief summary as I remember it was this

All WAV by 2012

Council can apply to keep mixed fleet

It's more a case of what they would like rather than what you will have, I suggest if the time comes everyone reading puts in an objection, this on a large scale should open some ears, the paper dated back to around 1994 iirc, so those that wrote it are probably not in those jobs anymore, and hopefully those that are now holding position will be able to see as long as there is enough WAV's on each fleet already that should be ok.


So where is the level of fairness ?? The higher priced vehicle and running costs of a WAV v the Saloon that's been to the moon and back, with a value of not even a WAV's monthly payment...Got to be challengeable in the Courts no....???




Not really, the saloon's were issued yonks ago, the WAV is a relatively new thing in the cab world, in all fairness there is a need for both so it makes sence to insist any new plate issued should be a WAV one to balance what's already there, where a saloon shouldn't have to become a WAV because at the time of issue it fullfilled it's contract of use and those were the terms of it's issue.


Again i ask where is the equality and parity ??
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Again i ask where is the equality and parity ??


You are assuming that all saloons are sheds. This is not the case. If saloons were allowed the conditions could be such that those that have been to the moon and back as you put it are not licenced. A decent saloon vehicle for taxis can be anything from £14,000 upwards. Given that a WAV can be as little as £24,000 with a longer life span than that of a saloon it balances itself out

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Thinking on this is probably lawful as per R v Manchester City Justices, Ex parte McHugh [1989] RTR 285

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Again i ask where is the equality and parity ??


You are assuming that all saloons are sheds. This is not the case. If saloons were allowed the conditions could be such that those that have been to the moon and back as you put it are not licenced. A decent saloon vehicle for taxis can be anything from £14,000 upwards. Given that a WAV can be as little as £24,000 with a longer life span than that of a saloon it balances itself out


So why not buy one ???
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I'd say to that that the drivers who used to have a saloon should have the option to still have one, a mixed fleet is so much better than an all WAV one, you have the social issues, the isolation issues, and the comfort issues, i.e in a WAV it's not so personal service as a saloon can offer, or to put it another way a WAV is effectively DHL Taxis, i.e sling it in the back and deliver it. :shock:


I think I'd like to see a judge consider this properly, how can someone be made to buy a £35K vehicle when another can buy a £10K one?

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Well, take my case, I bought a plate 12 yrs ago when I could've had a free one if I was putting a WAV on, I saw the initial outlay as a way of having the option to spend less on a vehicle each time, and that it's easier to drive a car around narrow streets than a van, the issue isn't really 35k vs 10k, it's more a case of WAV's needed so it becomes a condition of licence, where mine was an already issued one issued for saloon use, I hope that kinda makes sence.
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Taken from Hyndburn Borough Council Ex parte Rauf and Another

In R v Manchester City Justices, Ex parte McHugh [1989] RTR 285 Simon Brown J upheld a local authority condition requiring new licences or the grantees of new licences to adapt their vehicles to carry wheelchair-bound passengers; that requirement, like the London-type cab requirement and the present age requirement, was not so formulated as to invite applications for the requirement to be waived.

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