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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:34 pm 
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Perhaps Kapitan Kab would be a better name for you!


You do realise when I ask how do you mean....the jokes going to lose its punch :lol:

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I've already had a sly snigger and I'm sure I won't be the only one :wink: I can just see you in a pair of bat wing trousers walking like you've got no knees :D

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But it is vegetables that buy the archaic monstrosity that hasn't had any innovation in it's design for decades, whilst the rest of the motor industry leaps ahead.

But the rest of the motor industry isn't a market we can have, we are stuck with the LTI product, or the van conversions, most of which are assembled by former nazis, former **** collaborators or former italian fascists :lol:

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So you admit that the LTI product has not developed over time as other manufacturer's products have; it's just that the 'other' taxis are built by people from the land of Hitler & Mussolini that you object to!

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All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.
Benito Mussolini

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So you admit that the LTI product has not developed over time as other manufacturer's products have; it's just that the 'other' taxis are built by people from the land of Hitler & Mussolini that you object to!



I think the LTI vehicle is very different to the one I drove 23 years ago, I'm surprised you dont.

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So you admit that the LTI product has not developed over time as other manufacturer's products have; it's just that the 'other' taxis are built by people from the land of Hitler & Mussolini that you object to!


I think the LTI vehicle is very different to the one I drove 23 years ago, I'm surprised you dont.

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Other manufacturer's of purpose built taxis have offered six seat capacity for well over a decade; LTI have no plans the last time I spoke to AO.

They have always had their 'head in the sand' because we the gullable taxi drivers had no choice but to accept their monopoly position.

Now it's pay-back time & taxi owners are voting with their £ notes & buying other more versatile vehicles from world renowned vehicle maker, which the passengers like better that the LTI model.

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Other manufacturer's of purpose built taxis have offered six seat capacity for well over a decade; LTI have no plans the last time I spoke to AO.

They have always had their 'head in the sand' because we the gullable taxi drivers had no choice but to accept their monopoly position.

Now it's pay-back time & taxi owners are voting with their £ notes & buying other more versatile vehicles from world renowned vehicle maker, which the passengers like better that the LTI model.


Which other manufacturers of purpose built taxis are there?

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Other manufacturer's of purpose built taxis have offered six seat capacity for well over a decade; LTI have no plans the last time I spoke to AO.

They have always had their 'head in the sand' because we the gullable taxi drivers had no choice but to accept their monopoly position.

Now it's pay-back time & taxi owners are voting with their £ notes & buying other more versatile vehicles from world renowned vehicle maker, which the passengers like better that the LTI model.

Which other manufacturers of purpose built taxis are there?

CC


You know what I mean ..... Mecedes, VW, Citreon, Fiat, Peugeot, Hyundai, Nissan, Vauxhall, Renault etc.

Not purpose built taxis in your sense ..... BUT

BUILT FOR THE PURPOSE OF BEING USED AS TAXIS & LICENSED BY NUMEROUS COUNCILS THROUGHOUT THE UK AS TAXIS & HACKNEY CARRIAGES.

And if councils license them as Licensed Taxis or Licensed Hackney Carriages, then they are Taxis or Hackney Carriages. So the manufacturers that made those vehicles did a good enough job to convince those councils that they can, & will continue to do the job that they were made for - to be used as taxis.


Town Police Clauses Act 1847

38 What vehicles to be deemed hackney carriages

Every wheeled carriage, whatever may be its form or construction, used in standing or plying for hire in any street within the prescribed distance, and every carriage standing upon any street within the prescribed distance, having thereon any numbered plate required by this or the special Act to be fixed upon a hackney carriage, or having thereon any plate resembling or intended to resemble any such plate as aforesaid, shall be deemed to be a hackney carriage within the meaning of this Act; and in all proceedings at law or otherwise the term “hackney carriage” shall be sufficient to describe any such carriage: Provided always, that no stage coach used for the purpose of standing or plying for passengers to be carried for hire at separate fares, and duly licensed for that purpose, and having thereon the proper numbered plates required by law to be placed on such stage coaches, shall be deemed to be a hackney carriage within the meaning of this Act.


Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976

47 Licensing of hackney carriages

(1) A district council may attach to the grant of a licence of a hackney carriage under the Act of 1847 such conditions as the district council may consider reasonably necessary.

(2) Without prejudice to the generality of the foregoing subsection, a district council may require any hackney carriage licensed by them under the Act of 1847 to be of such design or appearance or bear such distinguishing marks as shall clearly identify it as a hackney carriage.

(3) Any person aggrieved by any conditions attached to such a licence may appeal to a magistrates' court.

Bearing the above in mind, LTI, if they were aggrieved, would have taken the matter of vehicles built for the purpose of being used as taxi to court. They didn't, so by default they too have accepted them as taxis, perhaps not as purpose built taxis, but certainly as vehicles built for the purpose of being used as taxis.

And so, for that matter, have a great number of councils, because they are better vehicles all round for the job & even Alma Lunt won in the High Court, because the LTI vehicle is p*ss poor in general for taxi work in the 21st century.

And finally Captain, I know & I do appreciate that you have a vested interest in defending LTI ..... after all they are your Conference Partners!!!

Kaatching, Kaatching, ..... £s ..... €s ..... $s

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LTI are conference partners........and Allied are NTA members both offer a particular product's to the taxi trade :roll:

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And if councils license them as Licensed Taxis or Licensed Hackney Carriages, then they are Taxis or Hackney Carriages. So the manufacturers that made those vehicles did a good enough job to convince those councils that they can, & will continue to do the job that they were made for - to be used as taxis.


Good.....then according to your logic my Skoda Superb is a purpose built taxi :roll:

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And if councils license them as Licensed Taxis or Licensed Hackney Carriages, then they are Taxis or Hackney Carriages. So the manufacturers that made those vehicles did a good enough job to convince those councils that they can, & will continue to do the job that they were made for - to be used as taxis.

Good.....then according to your logic my Skoda Superb is a purpose built taxi :roll:

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Your council license saloons as taxis, but where are the WAVs to comply with the DDA?

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If the Vito is outselling TX4 by 4-1, then surely it has 80% of the new taxi market, not 25% as stated :?:


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If the Vito is outselling TX4 by 4-1, then surely it has 80% of the new taxi market, not 25% as stated :?:


It's not the only alternative available in the taxi market that's why it only has 25% I would imagine

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Your council license saloons as taxis, but where are the WAVs to comply with the DDA?


Who says the WAV complies with the DDA?

That aside we have a 50/50 mix of saloon HC's and WAV HC's

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Eco City, the AIM-listed company which helped out on the rear-wheel steering development of the Mercedes taxi says that its subsidiary KPM-UK — which sells both the Mercedes taxi and the TX4 — is reporting that the Vito is outselling the TX4 at a rate of four to one on its forecourt.


Errm wtf were they going to say.......and by which law of mathematics is 25% greater than 75%?

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Who says the WAV complies with the DDA?

Your saloon don't ..... that's for sure!

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That aside we have a 50/50 mix of saloon HC's and WAV HC's

Nowhere near good enough!!

100% WAV policy is the ONLY DDA acceptable policy!!

Your council is in breach!!

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
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Who says the WAV complies with the DDA?

Your saloon don't ..... that's for sure!

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That aside we have a 50/50 mix of saloon HC's and WAV HC's

Nowhere near good enough!!

100% WAV policy is the ONLY DDA acceptable policy!!

Your council is in breach!!


I was always under the impression that he DDA was about discrimination or more to the point non discrimination. How can they then discriminate against non wheel chair users who struggle to get into these vehicles or find them just as uncomfortable as wheelchair users find the London taxi

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