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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 6:41 pm 
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near :?: Fenland


Nobody admits to living near the fens you don't know what them fenland boggits might do ! there are some very strange folk live out in the fens :wink:


There has been a similar system operated by Peterborough council in the past I'm not sure if they still do but it is a difficult sytem to operate after all I'm sure most of the drivers know the enforcement officer and how to avoid him when they need to


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The Council does not make taximeters compulsory for hackney carriage vehicles but they may be fitted if the applicant so wishes at his/her expense.

Have they got a clue down there, how the heck can a hack run without a meter :shock: :shock: :shock:
They need help and fast

It is not a statutory requirement to have a meter fitted into a HC.

The only things making them mandatory are the HC proprietors license or the byelaws.

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If that's the case & I have no reason to doubt you, that leaves Fenland Hackney drivers open to charges of overcharging on a daily basis.

How can anyone, cabbie, passenger or licensing officer prove one way or the other?

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I'm sure most of the drivers know the enforcement officer and how to avoid him when they need to


I see.....they know the time he goes out with his ferrets then :lol:

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Nah they don't have ferrets in the fens they use stoats ! or water rats around the drains and lurchers and greyhounds on the fields


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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
If that's the case & I have no reason to doubt you, that leaves Fenland Hackney drivers open to charges of overcharging on a daily basis.

How can anyone, cabbie, passenger or licensing officer prove one way or the other?


I suppose if there are instances of overcharging then the council would have to act on any complaints......presumably there have been none?

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What would the penalty be... a ferret stuck down their pants..

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What would the penalty be... a ferret stuck down their pants..


Not sure.....wonder what the byelaws say?

Anyway.....this is the Fens they still probably use horses so where would the meter be fitted?

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What would the penalty be... a ferret stuck down their pants..


Not sure.....wonder what the byelaws say?

Anyway.....this is the Fens they still probably use horses so where would the meter be fitted?

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You would pay the fare according to the number of times the wheels on the carraige turned during your journey.

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You would pay the fare according to the number of times the wheels on the carraige turned during your journey.


Ahhh the old lollypop stick through the spoke trick

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You would pay the fare according to the number of times the wheels on the carraige turned during your journey.

Ahhh the old lollypop stick through the spoke trick

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Not quote ..... they actually used hardened conkers.

Enough were placed in a large box placed close to the spokes of the wheel. There was a small hole at the bottom of the box that allowed only one conker at a time to exit the box. On one spoke there was mounted a small scoop that collected one conker per revolution & deposited it via a one way valve & tube into another box attached on the inside to the rear axle. At the end of the journey the conkers were counted & you paid the fair according to how many were collected by the scoop. Later they refined the system & used small purpose made concrete stones, but they were a lot noisier.

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Fenland District Council Could Introduce Penalty Points System For Taxi Drivers And Operators



What documentary evidence is available to support the council’s assertion that a penalty points system is reasonably necessary?

If the penalty points system is introduced, will the council take a signed proof of evidence from every complainant and witness(es)?

Will there be a written “charge” which will include all the details of the alleged misdemeanour?

If the penalty points system is introduced, will the council interview the licence holder in accordance with the provisions of PACE 1984?

Will the provisions of the PACE 1984 be adhered to, when investigating complaints of alleged misconduct and alleged criminal offences?

Who will determine the gravity of the alleged misdemeanour(s)?

Will there be sub-categories of misdemeanours?

Who will act as Prosecutor?

Will the “Rules of Evidence” apply?

Will the complainant(s) be “compellable” to attend the First/Appeal hearing, give oral evidence, and be open to cross examination?

prosecution witnesses be compellable to attend the First/Appeal hearing, give oral evidence, and be open to cross examination?

Will the council supply the licence holder or his/her legal advisers with evidence by way of advance disclosure?

What will be the Mens Rea of each alleged misdemeanour?

What standard of proof will be relied upon?

What is the council’s legal basis for the imposition of such a system?

All of these points are made with the Human Rights Act firmly in mind and linked with the fear that the “opinion” of any particular licensing officer in handing out the proposed penalty points, at that particular moment in time, will amount to the equivalent of a conviction without any formal test of the evidence save that administered by himself at that moment. (A person is innocent until proven guilty)(A person is entitled to a fair trial)


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Fenland District Council Could Introduce Penalty Points System For Taxi Drivers And Operators



What documentary evidence is available to support the council’s assertion that a penalty points system is reasonably necessary?

If the penalty points system is introduced, will the council take a signed proof of evidence from every complainant and witness(es)?

Will there be a written “charge” which will include all the details of the alleged misdemeanour?

If the penalty points system is introduced, will the council interview the licence holder in accordance with the provisions of PACE 1984?

Will the provisions of the PACE 1984 be adhered to, when investigating complaints of alleged misconduct and alleged criminal offences?

Who will determine the gravity of the alleged misdemeanour(s)?

Will there be sub-categories of misdemeanours?

Who will act as Prosecutor?

Will the “Rules of Evidence” apply?

Will the complainant(s) be “compellable” to attend the First/Appeal hearing, give oral evidence, and be open to cross examination?

prosecution witnesses be compellable to attend the First/Appeal hearing, give oral evidence, and be open to cross examination?

Will the council supply the licence holder or his/her legal advisers with evidence by way of advance disclosure?

What will be the Mens Rea of each alleged misdemeanour?

What standard of proof will be relied upon?

What is the council’s legal basis for the imposition of such a system?

All of these points are made with the Human Rights Act firmly in mind and linked with the fear that the “opinion” of any particular licensing officer in handing out the proposed penalty points, at that particular moment in time, will amount to the equivalent of a conviction without any formal test of the evidence save that administered by himself at that moment. (A person is innocent until proven guilty)(A person is entitled to a fair trial)


excellent post

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