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LTi only have themselves to blame, poor product for £10k more than a converted van, if I had to have one and the flip was LTi or Vito I wouldn't have to think about it, where's me Deutchmarcs :lol:

The 10k is the difference between an E7 and a Dalek btw.
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LTi only have themselves to blame, poor product for £10k more than a converted van, if I had to have one and the flip was LTi or Vito I wouldn't have to think about it, where's me Deutchmarcs :lol:

The 10k is the difference between an E7 and a Dalek btw.
we have the choice of most vehicles in Sefton.... But you'll find the majority are Lti.. out of choice....

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LTi only have themselves to blame, poor product for £10k more than a converted van, if I had to have one and the flip was LTi or Vito I wouldn't have to think about it, where's me Deutchmarcs :lol:

The 10k is the difference between an E7 and a Dalek btw.
we have the choice of most vehicles in Sefton.... But you'll find the majority are Lti.. out of choice....



I wouldn't have one, seen what a pile they are tbh T, and as for driving one, unless they've silenced the percussion instrument bodywork it's another no thx from me, my mate just px'd his one, 2 years old 100k and the engine is shot.
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LTi only have themselves to blame, poor product for £10k more than a converted van, if I had to have one and the flip was LTi or Vito I wouldn't have to think about it, where's me Deutchmarcs :lol:

The 10k is the difference between an E7 and a Dalek btw.
we have the choice of most vehicles in Sefton.... But you'll find the majority are Lti.. out of choice....



I wouldn't have one, seen what a pile they are tbh T, and as for driving one, unless they've silenced the percussion instrument bodywork it's another no thx from me, my mate just px'd his one, 2 years old 100k and the engine is shot.
it's all down to choice.... but I never criticise other people's choices.... of vehicle..ps.. if the DDA act goes through.... you might find your choice rather limited .

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LTi only have themselves to blame, poor product for £10k more than a converted van, if I had to have one and the flip was LTi or Vito I wouldn't have to think about it, where's me Deutchmarcs :lol:

The 10k is the difference between an E7 and a Dalek btw.
we have the choice of most vehicles in Sefton.... But you'll find the majority are Lti.. out of choice....



I wouldn't have one, seen what a pile they are tbh T, and as for driving one, unless they've silenced the percussion instrument bodywork it's another no thx from me, my mate just px'd his one, 2 years old 100k and the engine is shot.
it's all down to choice.... but I never criticise other people's choices.... of vehicle..ps.. if the DDA act goes through.... you might find your choice rather limited .



Agreed, pays yer money etc, I just think the Merc is a much better choice, but even thats a mortgage.
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LTi only have themselves to blame, poor product for £10k more than a converted van, if I had to have one and the flip was LTi or Vito I wouldn't have to think about it, where's me Deutchmarcs :lol:

The 10k is the difference between an E7 and a Dalek btw.
we have the choice of most vehicles in Sefton.... But you'll find the majority are Lti.. out of choice....



I wouldn't have one, seen what a pile they are tbh T, and as for driving one, unless they've silenced the percussion instrument bodywork it's another no thx from me, my mate just px'd his one, 2 years old 100k and the engine is shot.
it's all down to choice.... but I never criticise other people's choices.... of vehicle..ps.. if the DDA act goes through.... you might find your choice rather limited .



Agreed, pays yer money etc, I just think the Merc is a much better choice, but even thats a mortgage.
And a great deal of time off the road when it is in to be repaired....

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The Government's Make Law's, judges interpret the law, on the evidence placed before them.... it is like going to the theatre sometimes... he who gives the best performance wins... the case means nothing to me... and most of the time.... the law is a donkey.. :lol: PS.. I seem to remember that when the E7 first came on the market, one was licensed as a private hire vehicle in Liverpool.... maybe it should have been mentioned in court...


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But this judgment was won on two counts, the DDA & EU competition. My guess is that if it had been won on only one, the DDA, then Liverpool might have appealed, which would have been interesting if they had. As it is Liverpool had not one, but two hurdles to jump & that was perhaps one too many.

And because it was won for two reasons, it makes it quite strong case law in my book & I don't think any licensing authorities will disregard the judgment when it comes to the crunch. If they do I'm sure Allied / Peugeot & others will issue proceedings.

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Nice to see the old DDA being mentioned.....shame its being repealed :wink:

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The Government's Make Law's, judges interpret the law, on the evidence placed before them.... it is like going to the theatre sometimes... he who gives the best performance wins... the case means nothing to me... and most of the time.... the law is a donkey.. :lol: PS.. I seem to remember that when the E7 first came on the market, one was licensed as a private hire vehicle in Liverpool.... maybe it should have been mentioned in court...


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But this judgment was won on two counts, the DDA & EU competition. My guess is that if it had been won on only one, the DDA, then Liverpool might have appealed, which would have been interesting if they had. As it is Liverpool had not one, but two hurdles to jump & that was perhaps one too many.

And because it was won for two reasons, it makes it quite strong case law in my book & I don't think any licensing authorities will disregard the judgment when it comes to the crunch. If they do I'm sure Allied / Peugeot & others will issue proceedings.
One of us is confused... it is either you or me.... I am under the impression that Liverpool can still appeal.... the clock started ticking.... when the judges decision was released... and if they appeal they only have to win on one .. for them to win the appeal.. which will cost the other side a great deal of money.....

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and if they appeal they only have to win on one .. for them to win the appeal..

No.

They will have to win on all aspects of the case, else they lose again.

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MR T wrote:
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MR T wrote:
The Government's Make Law's, judges interpret the law, on the evidence placed before them.... it is like going to the theatre sometimes... he who gives the best performance wins... the case means nothing to me... and most of the time.... the law is a donkey.. :lol: PS.. I seem to remember that when the E7 first came on the market, one was licensed as a private hire vehicle in Liverpool.... maybe it should have been mentioned in court...


Image Image Image Image Image

But this judgment was won on two counts, the DDA & EU competition. My guess is that if it had been won on only one, the DDA, then Liverpool might have appealed, which would have been interesting if they had. As it is Liverpool had not one, but two hurdles to jump & that was perhaps one too many.

And because it was won for two reasons, it makes it quite strong case law in my book & I don't think any licensing authorities will disregard the judgment when it comes to the crunch. If they do I'm sure Allied / Peugeot & others will issue proceedings.
One of us is confused... it is either you or me.... I am under the impression that Liverpool can still appeal.... the clock started ticking.... when the judges decision was released... and if they appeal they only have to win on one .. for them to win the appeal.. which will cost the other side a great deal of money.....

At the end of the hearing there was a discussion, which is transcribed at the end of the written judgment, between the judge & barristers. In that discussion the judge said he would not be around during August & intimated he might be going to France. He advised council for Liverpool CC that if an application for an appeal was received by his office in writing by 7th September 2009, (the day he was due to return, I believe) he would consider the request. To my knowledge that did not happen + so I believe they are now out of time.

Why do you believe Liverpool CC only have to win on one of the reasons that they lost the judgment on to win the appeal?

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In that discussion the judge said he would not be around during August & intimated he might be going to France


I wonder if they treated him to a nice celebration dinner :lol: :lol:

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In that discussion the judge said he would not be around during August & intimated he might be going to France


I wonder if they treated him to a nice celebration dinner :lol: :lol:


:lol:

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He advised council for Liverpool CC that if an application for an appeal was received by his office in writing by 7th September 2009, (the day he was due to return, I believe) he would consider the request. To my knowledge that did not happen + so I believe they are now out of time.



Read the judgement :shock:

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In that discussion the judge said he would not be around during August & intimated he might be going to France

I wonder if they treated him to a nice celebration dinner :lol: :lol:

:lol:

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It's better than that; it goes like this .....

MR JUSTICE BLAKE: Yes, there is not going to be anyone around to approve it for the next 28 days, I can tell you that.

Then a little later .....

MR FACENNA: You are not around early next week?

MR JUSTICE BLAKE: No, I will not be in an E7 Peugeot vehicle but I might he be headed to where the vehicle came from.

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