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New Taxi Ranks For Honiton

06 October 2009

East Devon District Council wants to hear from the people of Honiton about proposed improvements to taxi rank provision in the town, with three times as many spaces.

At a meeting of the council's licensing and enforcement committee on September 29, members agreed to appoint two areas on the northern side of Honiton's High Street as taxi ranks. It is proposed that one rank, for four vehicles, will be located near the Manor House and the other rank, for three vehicles, will be located just to the east side of the entrance to the Baptist Church, so more than trebling the space for cabs.

Residents are now being asked to give their views on the proposals, which are the result of a solution brokered by the former market supervisor, Terry Farebrother.

Honiton currently has just one taxi rank, accommodating only two vehicles at any one time. An EDDC spokesman said this did not provide enough space for all the taxis needed to service the town so that, when the ranks were full, drivers had trouble finding somewhere to wait for fares. Although the population of Honiton had increased dramatically over the past 20 years, with a corresponding increase in the use of taxis, there had been no similar increase in rank space.

Said the spokesman: "Over the years, there have been several attempts to identify additional space. There was local opposition, earlier this year, to a proposal by Devon County Council's highways department that a rank should be located in the High Street, near its junction with Silver Street. This, however, created a catalyst for the solution proposed by Terry, which has now been approved by the licensing and enforcement committee."

The new proposals are supported by the Police, Honiton Town Council, the Baptist Church, Honiton and District Chamber of Trade and Commerce and the East Devon Hackney Carriage Association.

It is also proposed that the two spaces on the existing rank would be returned to normal parking use and be available for stalls on market days.

Honiton residents now have the opportunity to comment on the proposals. A plan showing the proposed location of the ranks is available for viewing at Honiton Town Council Offices between 10am and 1pm on weekdays and at East Devon District Council's Offices, Knowle, Sidmouth, during normal working hours.

Comments should be sent to the Licensing Manager, East Devon District Council, Knowle, Sidmouth, EX10 8HL to be received no later than Wednesday, November 4.

Source; Devon24.co.uk

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East Devon District Council wants to hear from the people of Honiton about proposed improvements to taxi rank provision in the town, with three times as many spaces.

If all councils adopted this approach then a great number of problems would be solved. As it is, in Brum that is, we are still to a large extent, using the same ranks as in the 1960's / 70's, but redevelopments have taken place & although we have applied for numerous new ranks, approvals of these are few & far between.

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
As it is, in Brum that is, we are still to a large extent, using the same ranks as in the 1960's / 70's, but redevelopments have taken place & although we have applied for numerous new ranks, approvals of these are few & far between.


Same here, when we were deregulated the LA told us ranks would be a key consideration, unfortunately our LA do NOT controll our roads, the County Council do, and they bring red tape to a new wonderful level.

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
As it is, in Brum that is, we are still to a large extent, using the same ranks as in the 1960's / 70's, but redevelopments have taken place & although we have applied for numerous new ranks, approvals of these are few & far between.

Same here, when we were deregulated the LA told us ranks would be a key consideration, unfortunately our LA do NOT controll our roads, the County Council do, and they bring red tape to a new wonderful level.

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On the point of rank applications, is there an ombudsman that can be involved when rank applications are refused?

Better still I'll ring the DfT Taxi & Bus Dept ..... I need to speak to them about a few things.

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
On the point of rank applications, is there an ombudsman that can be involved when rank applications are refused?

Better still I'll ring the DfT Taxi & Bus Dept ..... I need to speak to them about a few things.


I'm not actually sure about that, normally is planning consent isnt granted there is an appeals mechanism......but I suppose we dont actually own the road :wink:

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captain cab wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
On the point of rank applications, is there an ombudsman that can be involved when rank applications are refused?

Better still I'll ring the DfT Taxi & Bus Dept ..... I need to speak to them about a few things.

I'm not actually sure about that, normally is planning consent isnt granted there is an appeals mechanism......but I suppose we dont actually own the road :wink:

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I wasn't necessarily thinking about the transport & highways issue, although that's one avenue I will explore today.

What about the right to work under EU legislation? A taxi rank is our place of work, where cabs can legally stand; anywhere else is illegal. I often equate the situation to a desk for an office worker ..... cabbies ain't got enough desks.

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
I wasn't necessarily thinking about the transport & highways issue, although that's one avenue I will explore today.

What about the right to work under EU legislation? A taxi rank is our place of work, where cabs can legally stand; anywhere else is illegal. I often equate the situation to a desk for an office worker ..... cabbies ain't got enough desks.


Yes but you dont have to work from a cab rank, you can ply?

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captain cab wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
I wasn't necessarily thinking about the transport & highways issue, although that's one avenue I will explore today.

What about the right to work under EU legislation? A taxi rank is our place of work, where cabs can legally stand; anywhere else is illegal. I often equate the situation to a desk for an office worker ..... cabbies ain't got enough desks.

Yes but you dont have to work from a cab rank, you can ply?

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But the cab rank is the 'stationary shop' that the public know to be there in time.

Just spoke to Ms PB at DfT ..... there is no right of appeal for the refusal of an application for a taxi rank.

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
But the cab rank is the 'stationary shop' that the public know to be there in time.

Just spoke to Ms PB at DfT ..... there is no right of appeal for the refusal of an application for a taxi rank.


Then I will raise it with the Minister later in the month :wink:

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captain cab wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
But the cab rank is the 'stationary shop' that the public know to be there in time.

Just spoke to Ms PB at DfT ..... there is no right of appeal for the refusal of an application for a taxi rank.

Then I will raise it with the Minister later in the month :wink:

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Good.

The part of the legislation that says that a Local Authority 'may' appoint taxi stands from time to time is very, very weak indeed.

Whilst the HC trade cannot reasonably expect to get every rank they apply for, there should be a statutory procedure in force, including the right of appeal for taxi rank applications.

I know I'm not a member (because you don't take individual memberships from areas with trade representative bodies), but the issue of taxi ranks & the procedure for applying for new ones, really is a national issue.

Thanks for your efforts & if you do change your membership criteria in the future to accommodate individual members from areas with TRB, I will be happy to join.

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:

I know I'm not a member (because you don't take individual memberships from areas with trade representative bodies), but the issue of taxi ranks & the procedure for applying for new ones, really is a national issue.

Thanks for your efforts & if you do change your membership criteria in the future to accommodate individual members from areas with TRB, I will be happy to join.


The membership criteria is different to what you believe.

The former approach in respect of trade representative bodies has changed, it now revolves around NTA member association's, we have no reason to support those associations who are not NTA members.

Individual membership is being encouraged and the new membership fee for an individual will be sorted out later this month, it will be in the region of £36.50p if agreed by the membership.

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captain cab wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
I know I'm not a member (because you don't take individual memberships from areas with trade representative bodies), but the issue of taxi ranks & the procedure for applying for new ones, really is a national issue.

Thanks for your efforts & if you do change your membership criteria in the future to accommodate individual members from areas with TRB, I will be happy to join.

The membership criteria is different to what you believe.

The former approach in respect of trade representative bodies has changed, it now revolves around NTA member association's, we have no reason to support those associations who are not NTA members.

Individual membership is being encouraged and the new membership fee for an individual will be sorted out later this month, it will be in the region of £36.50p if agreed by the membership.

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That will do for me!!

Where do I send the cheque to?

ALSO on this point, do you allow written submissions from non-members to be read out at your AGM in support of, or against a motion.

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captain cab wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
But the cab rank is the 'stationary shop' that the public know to be there in time.

Just spoke to Ms PB at DfT ..... there is no right of appeal for the refusal of an application for a taxi rank.

Then I will raise it with the Minister later in the month :wink:

CC

Before you do that, & I sincerely hope that you do, it might be as well to acquaint yourself with the legislation governing bus stops & their approval & appointment

I am led to believe that there is a statutory procedure in appointing bus stops & that it is almost impossible for Transportation, Highways & Streets departments of local, county or unitary councils to refuse an application.

Somewhere towards that situation for taxi rank applications would, in my view, be highly beneficial to the national cab trade. I know that would be perhaps 'a bridge too far' to hope for, but anything that is a lot better than the trade has at present would be most welcome.

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That will do for me!!

Where do I send the cheque to?

ALSO on this point, do you allow written submissions from non-members to be read out at your AGM in support of, or against a motion.


I will let you know as and when the fee is agreed.

With reference to the resolutions these are proposed and seconded by members, and support or being against motions is members only, so I understand.

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Before you do that, & I sincerely hope that you do, it might be as well to acquaint yourself with the legislation governing bus stops & their approval & appointment

I am led to believe that there is a statutory procedure in appointing bus stops & that it is almost impossible for Transportation, Highways & Streets departments of local, county or unitary councils to refuse an application.

Somewhere towards that situation for taxi rank applications would, in my view, be highly beneficial to the national cab trade. I know that would be perhaps 'a bridge too far' to hope for, but anything that is a lot better than the trade has at present would be most welcome.


I will contact someone from my County Council regarding the procedure.

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