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wannabeeahack wrote:
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I employ a 68 year old and a 64 year old.



yeah, but your older than THEM...


Not by a lot. :mrgreen:

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yesterday i was told a story by a customer of NHS rules and regs this apparently happened earlier this week

An elderly gentleman (ww2 veteran) who is blind and partially deaf went to the local outpatients for a blood test. When it was his turn he got out of his seat but as he moved forward fell and ended up on the floor unable to lift himself and in some pain and distress he was surrounded by 4 nurses (of which 2 were very well built apparently) who announced that they were not allowed to lift him and that they would have to fetch a lifting hoist so he was left there helpless on the floor in a busy outpatients dept. After the other 4 nurses had departed another nurse from the blood sampling department who was quite a small girl came out and helped him up and onto a chair and took the blood sample there !

Whatever happened to common sense ! lifting people pushing wheelchairs is about common sense and technique and most people under the age of 65 should manage it but so many seem to use H & S as an excuse not to and often it is those who perhaps shouldn't be doing it to do the heavy lifting


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edders23 wrote:
yesterday i was told a story by a customer of NHS rules and regs this apparently happened earlier this week

An elderly gentleman (ww2 veteran) who is blind and partially deaf went to the local outpatients for a blood test. When it was his turn he got out of his seat but as he moved forward fell and ended up on the floor unable to lift himself and in some pain and distress he was surrounded by 4 nurses (of which 2 were very well built apparently) who announced that they were not allowed to lift him and that they would have to fetch a lifting hoist so he was left there helpless on the floor in a busy outpatients dept. After the other 4 nurses had departed another nurse from the blood sampling department who was quite a small girl came out and helped him up and onto a chair and took the blood sample there !

Whatever happened to common sense ! lifting people pushing wheelchairs is about common sense and technique and most people under the age of 65 should manage it but so many seem to use H & S as an excuse not to and often it is those who perhaps shouldn't be doing it to do the heavy lifting


I think the problem is that some people get guidance confused with rules..im sure how to lift people is governed by such guidance but not set in stone as the 4 male nurses would have it. even the HSE get hacked off by people using their name in vain when in reality they more often than not do not impose such daft rules as the public blame them for.

Its often a Militant approach by the staff...who are just being as awkward as possible and who blame their unwillingness to help or use a bit of good old fashioned commonsense on everybody but themselves.


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I know a school where rugby is played, but players cant tackle, they have pull-off sticky tabs to be removed to show a "tackle" so as to avoid physical contact...

health and safety.....

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spoilsports I remember one of the highlights of the school year was the boys vs teachers rugby match you could always guarantee at least one teacher would end up on a stretcher :D :lol:


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It all boils down to drivers being their own worst enemy, the younger ones run a mile at the sight of a wheel chair so only the older more responsible drivers take on the task of loading them, where is the enforcement, non existent
It all boils down to drivers being their own worst enemy, the younger ones run a mile at the sight of a wheel chair[cos they have more than 1 brain cell] so only the older LESS responsible drivers take on the task of loading them, where is the enforcement, non existent.

I am afraid I don't follow your critism here, how is loading a wheel chair being less, responsible, if a wheel chair passenger needs transport you seem to be saying that anyone with more than one brain cell should look the other way and avoid them, please explain


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Stinky Pete wrote:
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well..if you didnt need a wheelchair before using that one you would need one afterwards...thats a Death trap.......


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the thinker wrote:
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It all boils down to drivers being their own worst enemy, the younger ones run a mile at the sight of a wheel chair so only the older more responsible drivers take on the task of loading them, where is the enforcement, non existent
It all boils down to drivers being their own worst enemy, the younger ones run a mile at the sight of a wheel chair[cos they have more than 1 brain cell] so only the older LESS responsible drivers take on the task of loading them, where is the enforcement, non existent.

I am afraid I don't follow your critism here, how is loading a wheel chair being less, responsible, if a wheel chair passenger needs transport you seem to be saying that anyone with more than one brain cell should look the other way and avoid them, please explain
I mean that the younger drivers avoid the wheelchair jobs because they have more sense. The older drivers just do it because they are told to by the Licensing department just so they can keep their Hackney WAV. Older drivers are more prone to back related problems therefore they should never attempt to push a wheelchair up a 1 in 3 ramp. Everyone who has to elevate a wheelchair into a vehicle should use a chair lift for their own well being.
I suspect that older drivers, have a misguided sense of duty regarding this issue.
When a driver pulls his/her back out half way up a ramp and the wheelchair rolls back onto him/her, the chair person will sue the driver and the driver may be out of work for months, all because they felt they had a duty of care towards the wheelchair user and the local LA.


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why not get a few local councillors down to the rank, get em to push "Mr 25stone wheelechair user" up the ramps....get the press there

then ask if all HCs should be WAVs...

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wannabeeahack wrote:
why not get a few local councillors down to the rank, get em to push "Mr 25stone wheelechair user" up the ramps....get the press there

then ask if all HCs should be WAVs...
Yer right on brother! :lol: :lol:


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If a patient had to be moved by an ambulance service, the driver could refuse and request a risk assesment, and possibly ask that a tail lift vehicle be sent, if he hurt his back he could have a claim against the service

so a HC sent would have to just get on with it?


glad im PH sometimes...


(thats NOT a mincab BTW, as our R&Rs ban the use of "cab" on a vehicle)

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Yes, I agree and there is usually two ambulance staff in attendance with a chair lift.
What do the WAV drivers do when their insurance company tells them to hiss off with that bad-back claim?
What do they do after a customer sues them over a fall off a ramp? answer nothing they will just pay the extra premium and carry on cabbying!
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have you had a quote for "off work sick" insurance?...

made me feel ill

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wannabeeahack wrote:
have you had a quote for "off work sick" insurance?...

made me feel ill
No, the policies are useless to self-emplyed.


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