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Whom do you suggest?

It's not for me to tell you who to vote for.

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almost a remake of Germany in the 1930s

If we don't learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it.

You are both so correct, so correct infact I don't think you could ever know just how correct.

Edited, can't be doing with this anymore, all the history lessons are there already.

I read it before you edited it all out; don't know what you are afraid of?

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the current 2 party setup (well, 2 and a half) could have run its day/had its time

it squeezes all the "right wing" and "left wing" fans into 2 lanes, maybe the problem is lack of choice

we have seen maggie and blair with huge majorities (but not representing all the right or all the left kick and bruise the country for 10 and 11 years each (ish) simply because they could

to lump ALL the left in 1 party and ALL the right in another is ridiculous, within each stream are hard/middle/soft for left/right

we should have far more choice, and a goverment which cannot barge its way onward once in power, it should need the backing of the electorate on major issues, not just by dint of 1 black and white vote* every 5 years

maybe we should have a total overhaul of the whole damn system




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gusmac wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
almost a remake of Germany in the 1930s

If we don't learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it.

You are both so correct, so correct infact I don't think you could ever know just how correct.

Edited, can't be doing with this anymore, all the history lessons are there already.

I read it before you edited it all out; don't know what you are afraid of?



I'm glad you saw it and probably a few others Brum, it's not a fear thing, it's just I'm getting too embrolled in it all and I need to think deeper.

My edit refers to ancient South America where they starved due to overpopulation, Egypt where again too many battled for what became too small a pot, the Roman's where again it became to large to manage, the last two WW's where envy and resentment caused trouble, and all examples can be seen growing in the UK if not the world today.


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After all they did get almost a million votes in the European elections & I can’t believe we have almost a million nutters in the country. So WHY did those people vote BNP?


Their popularity is being fuelled by the mainstream parties ingnoring the views of the common people of this country.
Mainstream politicians slavishly follow PC policies which p*ss off the majority of their voters.
When they ignore their electorate and listen only to minorities, they alienate their own supporters and deliver them into the hands of extremists like the BNP.
Nick Griffen and the BNP don't have to do anything - Labour, Tories and the Liberals are doing it for them.
It's one thing.... voting him in as an EU minister.... I should imagine a large majority voted him in simply to wake up the mainstream parties...... but who in their right mind would vote him in to become prime minister?.... he has every right to be on Question Time.... it saddens me when people say he should not appear.... they then become him. if you believe in democracy then you have to accept it in its entirety and not just the bids that suit oneself..... and I'm not suggesting that is your view...

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
After all they did get almost a million votes in the European elections & I can’t believe we have almost a million nutters in the country. So WHY did those people vote BNP?


Their popularity is being fuelled by the mainstream parties ingnoring the views of the common people of this country.
Mainstream politicians slavishly follow PC policies which p*ss off the majority of their voters.
When they ignore their electorate and listen only to minorities, they alienate their own supporters and deliver them into the hands of extremists like the BNP.
Nick Griffen and the BNP don't have to do anything - Labour, Tories and the Liberals are doing it for them.
It's one thing.... voting him in as an EU minister.... I should imagine a large majority voted him in simply to wake up the mainstream parties...... but who in their right mind would vote him in to become prime minister?.... he has every right to be on Question Time.... it saddens me when people say he should not appear.... they then become him. if you believe in democracy then you have to accept it in its entirety and not just the bids that suit oneself..... and I'm not suggesting that is your view...




Incase anyone missed it, he did say on the show, original BNP members hate him because he's taken it out of the boot boy relms, as far as having him as PM I fear what his economic stategy would be, but I back him all the way on restoring discipline,military and the Police, I also back him in wanting to sort out the young indigineous thug who won't work as well, if one good thing could happen it would be that a mainstream figure adopts these stances and follows it through, I'm not so sure ppl are that bothered about immigrants, it's the not importing some other countries dole queue that bothers ppl and the bad side of the Islamic ppl who want to turn us into woman haters and install waht can only be described as a mafia, as things are going in less than 50 years time it will happen because there will be more of them than us and once they set up their own party and get elected we're finished, and that's maths talking not hatred.

I've a few scenarios buzzing about right now, I know it's conspiracy theory, but I wonder if the elite know control is lost and are asset stripping us right now so to leave something broken rather than a fully functioning top country, or they simply just want a population of yes ppl who are only too happy to do whatever because they got to come here.


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gusmac wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
After all they did get almost a million votes in the European elections & I can’t believe we have almost a million nutters in the country. So WHY did those people vote BNP?


Their popularity is being fuelled by the mainstream parties ingnoring the views of the common people of this country.
Mainstream politicians slavishly follow PC policies which p*ss off the majority of their voters.
When they ignore their electorate and listen only to minorities, they alienate their own supporters and deliver them into the hands of extremists like the BNP.
Nick Griffen and the BNP don't have to do anything - Labour, Tories and the Liberals are doing it for them.

It's one thing.... voting him in as an EU minister.... I should imagine a large majority voted him in simply to wake up the mainstream parties...... but who in their right mind would vote him in to become prime minister?.... he has every right to be on Question Time.... it saddens me when people say he should not appear.... they then become him. if you believe in democracy then you have to accept it in its entirety and not just the bids that suit oneself..... and I'm not suggesting that is your view...

So let's follow that ideal thro about having people on Question Time, because we are a democracy, which I agree with.

How about a radical Iman on the show?

With translator of course!!

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
MR T wrote:
gusmac wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
After all they did get almost a million votes in the European elections & I can’t believe we have almost a million nutters in the country. So WHY did those people vote BNP?


Their popularity is being fuelled by the mainstream parties ingnoring the views of the common people of this country.
Mainstream politicians slavishly follow PC policies which p*ss off the majority of their voters.
When they ignore their electorate and listen only to minorities, they alienate their own supporters and deliver them into the hands of extremists like the BNP.
Nick Griffen and the BNP don't have to do anything - Labour, Tories and the Liberals are doing it for them.

It's one thing.... voting him in as an EU minister.... I should imagine a large majority voted him in simply to wake up the mainstream parties...... but who in their right mind would vote him in to become prime minister?.... he has every right to be on Question Time.... it saddens me when people say he should not appear.... they then become him. if you believe in democracy then you have to accept it in its entirety and not just the bids that suit oneself..... and I'm not suggesting that is your view...

So let's follow that ideal thro about having people on Question Time, because we are a democracy, which I agree with.

How about a radical Iman on the show?

With translator of course!!
there are many things about democracy that people dislike.... but would you prefer to live under a dictatorship

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[quote="Doom"]Will this mean I'm welcome at the Mosque as well?

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Why wouldn't you be welcome? I have been to many Muslim, Hindu and Sikh weddings with our stretched limousines and I have always been made very welcome.

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MR T wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
MR T wrote:
gusmac wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
After all they did get almost a million votes in the European elections & I can’t believe we have almost a million nutters in the country. So WHY did those people vote BNP?


Their popularity is being fuelled by the mainstream parties ingnoring the views of the common people of this country.
Mainstream politicians slavishly follow PC policies which p*ss off the majority of their voters.
When they ignore their electorate and listen only to minorities, they alienate their own supporters and deliver them into the hands of extremists like the BNP.
Nick Griffen and the BNP don't have to do anything - Labour, Tories and the Liberals are doing it for them.

It's one thing.... voting him in as an EU minister.... I should imagine a large majority voted him in simply to wake up the mainstream parties...... but who in their right mind would vote him in to become prime minister?.... he has every right to be on Question Time.... it saddens me when people say he should not appear.... they then become him. if you believe in democracy then you have to accept it in its entirety and not just the bids that suit oneself..... and I'm not suggesting that is your view...

So let's follow that ideal thro about having people on Question Time, because we are a democracy, which I agree with.

How about a radical Iman on the show?

With translator of course!!

there are many things about democracy that people dislike.... bought would you prefer to live under a dictatorship

Because of the weaknesses of our indiginous political parties, that's the way it's heading.

It's no good saying any different. This 'movement' for want of a better word started decades ago & will probably last three or four generations until it's completion.

These things don't happen over-night, they evolve. We accept & then grow used to some that is alien to us & once we have accepted this 'thing' that is alien to us, we become it. Then we accept another 'thing' that is even more alien to us at the start, but because we have already accepted something that is only alien (as opposed to even more alien) the acceptance of the even more alien 'thing' becomes easier to accept now, because we are becoming 'conditioned'. And so it goes on.

Also, these things don't happen in the same areas of the country at the same time; if they did, they wouldn't come about because people would object en masse.

The Art of War by Sun Tzu.

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Will this mean I'm welcome at the Mosque as well?

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Why wouldn't you be welcome? I have been to many Muslim, Hindu and Sikh weddings with our stretched limousines and I have always been made very welcome.


It was a tongue in cheek statement tbh Gramps, you're example is different altogether, our cloth crash helmet friends are very western anyway, they like a knees up if you like so I can't see any problem with them saying hi and come in, as for the Muslim's, as I've said before this has many forms this faith, some are very good and some very bad, a wedding maybe, but an infidel in their Gods house I don't think so, well not one straight off the street anyway.


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Will this mean I'm welcome at the Mosque as well?

Why wouldn't you be welcome? I have been to many Muslim, Hindu and Sikh weddings with our stretched limousines and I have always been made very welcome.

Are you saying that you have been inside a Mosque for a religious ceremony?

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the current 2 party setup (well, 2 and a half) could have run its day/had its time

If we got rid of the current system and replaced it with 'proportional representation' then we would have around 20 BNP MPs. :sad:

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
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Will this mean I'm welcome at the Mosque as well?

Why wouldn't you be welcome? I have been to many Muslim, Hindu and Sikh weddings with our stretched limousines and I have always been made very welcome.

Are you saying that you have been inside a Mosque for a religious ceremony?


Yes.

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
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Will this mean I'm welcome at the Mosque as well?

Why wouldn't you be welcome? I have been to many Muslim, Hindu and Sikh weddings with our stretched limousines and I have always been made very welcome.

Are you saying that you have been inside a Mosque for a religious ceremony?

Yes.

I find that quite amazing.

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