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Much better GMB site, I note your comments CC.


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Our GMB PDB web site is in the process of being built. We hope you enjoy. http://www.gmbpdb.org.uk

VALUE FOR MONEY AT 40 PENCE A DAY :wink:

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brightonbreezy wrote:
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Our GMB PDB web site is in the process of being built. We hope you enjoy. http://www.gmbpdb.org.uk

VALUE FOR MONEY AT 40 PENCE A DAY :wink:

30p too much and too little knowledge :wink:

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That's a 300% INCREASE on the NTA Individual Membership Fee!!!

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
captain cab wrote:
brightonbreezy wrote:
brightonbreezy wrote:
Our GMB PDB web site is in the process of being built. We hope you enjoy. http://www.gmbpdb.org.uk

VALUE FOR MONEY AT 40 PENCE A DAY :wink:

30p too much and too little knowledge :wink:

CC

That's a 300% INCREASE on the NTA Individual Membership Fee!!!


Hello BC,

What you have to considor here is what kind of organisation do you want to join? With the greatest respect to the NTA (Wayne Especially) The GMB with its structure of full time officers, its legal department, it's financial resources to support its membership, its access to politicions and the member benifits it offers, or a smaller organisation such as the NTA which may or may not accept individual membership.

The choice is yours!

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I'm quite sure the GMB would allow me to set up another....Southern region?

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brightonbreezy wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
captain cab wrote:
brightonbreezy wrote:
brightonbreezy wrote:
Our GMB PDB web site is in the process of being built. We hope you enjoy. http://www.gmbpdb.org.uk

VALUE FOR MONEY AT 40 PENCE A DAY :wink:

30p too much and too little knowledge :wink:

CC

That's a 300% INCREASE on the NTA Individual Membership Fee!!!

Hello BC,

What you have to considor here is what kind of organisation do you want to join? With the greatest respect to the NTA (Wayne Especially) The GMB with its structure of full time officers, its legal department, it's financial resources to support its membership, its access to politicions and the member benifits it offers, or a smaller organisation such as the NTA which may or may not accept individual membership.

The choice is yours!

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BB

Thanks for that Mr Brightonbreezy.

You see, I know who the National Taxi Association represents. It represents taxi drivers & proprietors, or to be far more specific, Hackney Carriage Drivers & Hackney Carriage Proprietors.

Now I didn’t know much about the GMB or their history for that matter. But after you’re post above, (no I tell a lie, it was before my post actually, . . . sucking in springs to mind), I did a little research.

And what I found out about the GMB was a little alarming;

The GMB originates from a merger of the National Amalgamated Union of Labour, National Union of General Workers and the Municipal Employees Association in 1924, named the National Union of General and Municipal Workers.

The union merged with many others including, but not exhaustively, the Association of Professional, Executive, Clerical and Computer Staff (APEX), the Furniture, Timber and Allied Trades Union and the National Union of Tailors and Garment Workers.

In 1982, following a merger with the Amalgamated Society of Boilermakers, Shipwrights, Blacksmiths and Structural Workers, the union was renamed the General, Municipal, Boilermakers and Allied Trade Union, from the initials of which its present name is derived.


That is a very brief history of the GMB.

Now let’s just list a few of the trades that the GMB purports to represent;

Labourers, general workers, municipal employees, professional staff, executive staff, clerical staff, computer staff, furniture workers, timber workers, workers allied to the previous two worker groups, tailors, garment workers, boilermakers, shipwrights, blacksmiths, structural workers, etc, etc. And that’s not taking into account the other unspecified trades which the unions that merged used to represent exclusively.

And if that list is further expanded using the above categories it is fair to assume that the GMB could purport to represent, but not exhaustively; farm workers, hod-carriers, mortar mixer operatives, sweepers, waste operatives (both manual & automated), white collar workers, blue collar workers, managers, clerks, secretaries, bookkeepers, record keepers, administrators, IT software programmers & operatives, cabinet makers, sofa makers, sawmill workers, kitchen makers, kitchen fitters, carpenters, locksmiths, seamstresses, milliners, hatters, bra makers, basque, suspenders & corset makers, panty & thong makers, suit & shirt makers, tie makers, boilermakers, welders, tube fitters, ship’s husbands, ship’s carpenters, forgers, wrought iron workers, welders, scaffold erectors, structural steel erectors, etc., etc. Oh, I forgot. And taxi drivers & private hire drivers.

So, it can be very safely assumed that the GMB is a ‘general’ union purporting to represent an amalgamation, mixture, fusion or blending of different workers in a multitude of trades & professions. And the question has to be asked; What kind of Mélange Union is the GMB?

Many years ago, it was chic for menus in the best restaurants to be extensive; the bigger the menu the better the restaurant, or so the fashion gurus & food critics would have you believe in those days gone by. Now the thinking has changed to the contrary & small menus with a choice of perhaps only five or six dishes per course is the new vogue for the top restaurants. The thinking behind this is that the chef can concentrate on getting five or six dishes prepared perfectly, rather than attempting to try to produce twenty or thirty dishes to a standard that was invariably less than his best.

It is my view that the chefs at the GMB have a far too diverging menu with concerns for divarication, whereas the NTA chefs’ menu is a much more focused & riveting one.

In 2008 GMB Congress voted to withdraw local funding from around a third of the 108 Labour MPs whose constituencies received support from the union, due to the perception that some MPs within the party were treating workers with "contempt" and generally not working in the interests of the working class and union members.

Now if I were a member of the GMB, (and there is about as much chance of that as there is of me knitting fog), what would happen if you were to represent me or any other member in a area where the GMB had withdrawn funding from the local MP & the GMB needed his / her help on a particular issue. I don’t think that the ex-brother / ex-sister that was previously a funded brother / sister would be very forthcoming with the help that would or might be required. In effect, your GMB union, have in one foul swoop reduced their political presence & pressure in these 108 MP’s constituencies. Shotgun & foot come to mind!!

And last but by no means least, the GMB are sponsors of Woking Football Club!!

Need I say any more!!! Yes I need; is it because Woking is as near as you can get to Working in terms of football club names?

And besides, I’m a Carlisle United fan!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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besides, I’m a Carlisle United fan!!


I'm glad to see I get the sympathy vote :lol:

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The GMB with its structure of full time officers, its legal department, it's financial resources to support its membership, its access to politicions


Is that cos they are bought and paid for members kept in ones pockets or do you have the same access to the politicians as any other representative group :?

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
brightonbreezy wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
captain cab wrote:
brightonbreezy wrote:
brightonbreezy wrote:
Our GMB PDB web site is in the process of being built. We hope you enjoy. http://www.gmbpdb.org.uk

VALUE FOR MONEY AT 40 PENCE A DAY :wink:

30p too much and too little knowledge :wink:

CC

That's a 300% INCREASE on the NTA Individual Membership Fee!!!

Hello BC,

What you have to considor here is what kind of organisation do you want to join? With the greatest respect to the NTA (Wayne Especially) The GMB with its structure of full time officers, its legal department, it's financial resources to support its membership, its access to politicions and the member benifits it offers, or a smaller organisation such as the NTA which may or may not accept individual membership.

The choice is yours!

Regards
BB

Thanks for that Mr Brightonbreezy.

You see, I know who the National Taxi Association represents. It represents taxi drivers & proprietors, or to be far more specific, Hackney Carriage Drivers & Hackney Carriage Proprietors.

Now I didn’t know much about the GMB or their history for that matter. But after you’re post above, (no I tell a lie, it was before my post actually, . . . sucking in springs to mind), I did a little research.

And what I found out about the GMB was a little alarming;

The GMB originates from a merger of the National Amalgamated Union of Labour, National Union of General Workers and the Municipal Employees Association in 1924, named the National Union of General and Municipal Workers.

The union merged with many others including, but not exhaustively, the Association of Professional, Executive, Clerical and Computer Staff (APEX), the Furniture, Timber and Allied Trades Union and the National Union of Tailors and Garment Workers.

In 1982, following a merger with the Amalgamated Society of Boilermakers, Shipwrights, Blacksmiths and Structural Workers, the union was renamed the General, Municipal, Boilermakers and Allied Trade Union, from the initials of which its present name is derived.


That is a very brief history of the GMB.

Now let’s just list a few of the trades that the GMB purports to represent;

Labourers, general workers, municipal employees, professional staff, executive staff, clerical staff, computer staff, furniture workers, timber workers, workers allied to the previous two worker groups, tailors, garment workers, boilermakers, shipwrights, blacksmiths, structural workers, etc, etc. And that’s not taking into account the other unspecified trades which the unions that merged used to represent exclusively.

And if that list is further expanded using the above categories it is fair to assume that the GMB could purport to represent, but not exhaustively; farm workers, hod-carriers, mortar mixer operatives, sweepers, waste operatives (both manual & automated), white collar workers, blue collar workers, managers, clerks, secretaries, bookkeepers, record keepers, administrators, IT software programmers & operatives, cabinet makers, sofa makers, sawmill workers, kitchen makers, kitchen fitters, carpenters, locksmiths, seamstresses, milliners, hatters, bra makers, basque, suspenders & corset makers, panty & thong makers, suit & shirt makers, tie makers, boilermakers, welders, tube fitters, ship’s husbands, ship’s carpenters, forgers, wrought iron workers, welders, scaffold erectors, structural steel erectors, etc., etc. Oh, I forgot. And taxi drivers & private hire drivers.

So, it can be very safely assumed that the GMB is a ‘general’ union purporting to represent an amalgamation, mixture, fusion or blending of different workers in a multitude of trades & professions. And the question has to be asked; What kind of Mélange Union is the GMB?

Many years ago, it was chic for menus in the best restaurants to be extensive; the bigger the menu the better the restaurant, or so the fashion gurus & food critics would have you believe in those days gone by. Now the thinking has changed to the contrary & small menus with a choice of perhaps only five or six dishes per course is the new vogue for the top restaurants. The thinking behind this is that the chef can concentrate on getting five or six dishes prepared perfectly, rather than attempting to try to produce twenty or thirty dishes to a standard that was invariably less than his best.

It is my view that the chefs at the GMB have a far too diverging menu with concerns for divarication, whereas the NTA chefs’ menu is a much more focused & riveting one.

In 2008 GMB Congress voted to withdraw local funding from around a third of the 108 Labour MPs whose constituencies received support from the union, due to the perception that some MPs within the party were treating workers with "contempt" and generally not working in the interests of the working class and union members.

Now if I were a member of the GMB, (and there is about as much chance of that as there is of me knitting fog), what would happen if you were to represent me or any other member in a area where the GMB had withdrawn funding from the local MP & the GMB needed his / her help on a particular issue. I don’t think that the ex-brother / ex-sister that was previously a funded brother / sister would be very forthcoming with the help that would or might be required. In effect, your GMB union, have in one foul swoop reduced their political presence & pressure in these 108 MP’s constituencies. Shotgun & foot come to mind!!

And last but by no means least, the GMB are sponsors of Woking Football Club!!

Need I say any more!!! Yes I need; is it because Woking is as near as you can get to Working in terms of football club names?

And besides, I’m a Carlisle United fan!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Dear Mr BC,

Thank you for your long and detailed History of the GMB, I am disappointed that the obvious aim was to criticise our union. You are quite correct our union did vote to withdraw funding from MP’s who have abandoned the working class, and not before time.

Our Taxi and Private Hire section has been in existence for some 7 years and during this time has supported our members in many areas such as re-limitation, challenging councils in court and providing excellent member benefits and support.

As I said the choice of which representative group you join or don’t join is yours.

I note that you quote that the NTA represent Hackney Proprietors and Hackney Drivers, I would check that out as the last time I heard the NTA only represented Hackney Proprietors.

I also note that the NTA has been representing the Hackney Trade since 1960!

A lot has happened to the Hackney Trade since 1960!

But we won’t go into that!

Perhaps it’s time for a change?

Furthermore there is nothing wrong with Woking Football club, They are in the same league as Carlisle aren’t they?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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BB

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The GMB with its structure of full time officers, its legal department, it's financial resources to support its membership, its access to politicians


Is that cos they are bought and paid for members kept in ones pockets or do you have the same access to the politicians as any other representative group :?


Its because we have full time officers working in parliament who have access to politicians :?

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That's a 300% INCREASE on the NTA Individual Membership Fee!!!

Someone has got to pay for the bubbly at the Xmas party. :wink:

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I note that you quote that the NTA represent Hackney Proprietors and Hackney Drivers, I would check that out as the last time I heard the NTA only represented Hackney Proprietors.

I also note that the NTA has been representing the Hackney Trade since 1960!

A lot has happened to the Hackney Trade since 1960!

But we won’t go into that!

Perhaps it’s time for a change?

Furthermore there is nothing wrong with Woking Football club, They are in the same league as Carlisle aren’t they?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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You maybe need a hearing aid BB, the NTA represent member associations the articles clearly cover 'drivers'........incidentally I'm a driver :wink:

A lot has happened since 1960 and not all for the best either, but I dont really want to be made responsible for anything prior to about 1989, possibly later, because that's when I became involved.

I think you'll find Carlisle are in the same Division as Brighton & hove Albion :shock:

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That's a 300% INCREASE on the NTA Individual Membership Fee!!!

Someone has got to pay for the bubbly at the Xmas party. :wink:

Prosecco is the 'in drink' this Christmas!!

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I am disappointed that the obvious aim was to criticise our union.

The Hackney trade is a very specialist trade when it comes to legislation. It is legislation that is uncommon to most solicitors & there are only four or five in the country that are worth their fees when representing the cab trade.

The only analogy I can put forward is patent lawyers / solicitors, which again is a very specialist field & you're lucky to find more than one or two in a city & perhaps none in a town.

If you felt I was critisising your union, then that was not intended, I was just stating some facts & expressing my views as I saw them in relation to the GMB representing me, if I was to become a member of that union. I am quiet sure that you do represent many trades & professions in a satisfactory or better manner.

It's just that I want a specialist organisation in my field to represent me.

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The Hackney trade is a very specialist trade when it comes to legislation. It is legislation that is uncommon to most solicitors & there are only four or five in the country that are worth their fees when representing the cab trade.

Mr BB is a senior member of the GMB PDB, does he come across as someone lacking in Hackney knowledge?

That said, when it comes to legal advice, it is incumbent on all of us to give our views but point folks to specialist lawyers should they be needed.

I'm pretty sure the GMB PDB would look to use a licensing lawyer rather than a employment one.

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