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But I find it strange that a trade that effectively wants a limited numbers policy, and the discrimination that could be suggested from that, is prepared to use the word discrimination in respect of types of vehicle


What word would you suggest? :)

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By treating all the drivers the same they are forgetting about the customers, who are all far from the same


It is impossible to cover all eventualities, unless we all start buying ambulances!! But then why shouldn't Hackney/PH saloon cars have the same facility as wav's, with all the specs, which incidentally more and more PH companies are beginning to realise and are facilitating? :)
The saloon fraternity are holding out as long as they can with all the arguments they put forward and may well do for a few more years yet but eventually the arguments, I fear (for them), will wear thin..... :wink: :D
The argument could be: If wav owners can do it and are forced to by regulation..... what prevents present saloon owners doing the same?
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It is impossible to cover all eventualities, unless we all start buying ambulances!! But then why shouldn't Hackney/PH saloon cars have the same facility as wav's, with all the specs, which incidentally more and more PH companies are beginning to realise and are facilitating?


The difference is the PH industry is mixed fleet which is something the Taxi industry is not being given the opportunity to be, which in itself is not equal. This bill whilst may be admired for it's objectives to offer wheelchair accessibility to all wheelchair users is flawed, whilst allowing one side of the trade to flourish it will possibly financially cripple the other side of the trade

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It is impossible to cover all eventualities, unless we all start buying ambulances!! But then why shouldn't Hackney/PH saloon cars have the same facility as wav's, with all the specs, which incidentally more and more PH companies are beginning to realise and are facilitating?


The difference is the PH industry is mixed fleet which is something the Taxi industry is not being given the opportunity to be, which in itself is not equal. This bill whilst may be admired for it's objectives to offer wheelchair accessibility to all wheelchair users is flawed, whilst allowing one side of the trade to flourish it will possibly financially cripple the other side of the trade


So how would you take out the flaws and give a level playing field to all?
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It is impossible to cover all eventualities, unless we all start buying ambulances!! But then why shouldn't Hackney/PH saloon cars have the same facility as wav's, with all the specs, which incidentally more and more PH companies are beginning to realise and are facilitating?


The difference is the PH industry is mixed fleet which is something the Taxi industry is not being given the opportunity to be, which in itself is not equal. This bill whilst may be admired for it's objectives to offer wheelchair accessibility to all wheelchair users is flawed, whilst allowing one side of the trade to flourish it will possibly financially cripple the other side of the trade


So how would you take out the flaws and give a level playing field to all?


I don't believe it can be done, but, first I would have to be elected to parliament then I could be paid to think about it. I'm sure I could come up with a fairer system than the one suggested :wink:

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It is impossible to cover all eventualities, unless we all start buying ambulances!! But then why shouldn't Hackney/PH saloon cars have the same facility as wav's, with all the specs, which incidentally more and more PH companies are beginning to realise and are facilitating?


The difference is the PH industry is mixed fleet which is something the Taxi industry is not being given the opportunity to be, which in itself is not equal. This bill whilst may be admired for it's objectives to offer wheelchair accessibility to all wheelchair users is flawed, whilst allowing one side of the trade to flourish it will possibly financially cripple the other side of the trade


So how would you take out the flaws and give a level playing field to all?



I don't believe it can be done, but, first I would have to be elected to parliament then I could be paid to think about it. I'm sure I could come up with a fairer system than the one suggested :wink:


So would you buy a wav if you had to?
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The difference is the PH industry is mixed fleet which is something the Taxi industry is not being given the opportunity to be, which in itself is not equal. This bill whilst may be admired for it's objectives to offer wheelchair accessibility to all wheelchair users is flawed, whilst allowing one side of the trade to flourish it will possibly financially cripple the other side of the trade


If I phone a good number of PH or minicab companies and ask for a WAV....I'll be told they havent got one.

It seems to me the PH industry must have slipped someone a few sheckles to get themselves out of the equality bill.

Commonsense suggests anytime a wheelchair bound person wants a wheelchair vehicle they phone up.......that's PH work....not HC.

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When they finally come up with a vaccine for stupidity...they need to send the entire shipment to the House Of Parliament.....

Well toots you have already contadicted yourself there maybe? :lol:
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If I phone a good number of PH or minicab companies and ask for a WAV....I'll be told they havent got one.


I don't suppose every company will have 80 of them like we do :lol:

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The difference is the PH industry is mixed fleet which is something the Taxi industry is not being given the opportunity to be, which in itself is not equal. This bill whilst may be admired for it's objectives to offer wheelchair accessibility to all wheelchair users is flawed, whilst allowing one side of the trade to flourish it will possibly financially cripple the other side of the trade


If I phone a good number of PH or minicab companies and ask for a WAV....I'll be told they havent got one.

It seems to me the PH industry must have slipped someone a few sheckles to get themselves out of the equality bill.

Commonsense suggests anytime a wheelchair bound person wants a wheelchair vehicle they phone up.......that's PH work....not HC.

CC


Ha ha! That just about sums up the PH industry in a nutshell!!
In by the back door and hopefully out by it too..... :mrgreen: 8)
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Ha ha! That just about sums up the PH industry in a nutshell!!
In by the back door and hopefully out by it too..... :mrgreen: 8)


Pinch yourself you're dreaming. The PH industry is going nowhere anytime soon........ it's getting stronger which is a genuine threat to the Taxi industry. Whilst in some parts of the country it seriously needs some proper regulation in the large cities and towns it is the largest provider of 'taxi' services and covering the bulk of contract work

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I think the definition of equality is treating everyone the same.

And if everyone being treated the same means they must all shell out the same amount for motors, then so be it.

For the last 150 years the trade has discriminated against itself, which is why most drivers are more than happy to worry about the next job rather than the next 20 years of jobs.


I'm glad you said "most" Let's face it Sussex how many in the trade come above "average" in your opinion? :lol:
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The PH industry is going nowhere anytime soon


Yep I would agree with that?
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Whilst in some parts of the country it seriously needs some proper regulation in the large cities and towns it is the largest provider of 'taxi' services and covering the bulk of contract work


Yep I would agree with that to :lol: !!!

At half metered fare you are welcome to it. but then again I suppose you can in a saloon.....
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This was covered in one of the Newcastle cases and the 'discrimination' was at that time deemed to be legal.

Arguably this has been backed up last year by the IRU report.



http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/1997/162.html

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It seems to me the PH industry must have slipped someone a few sheckles to get themselves out of the equality bill.

‘would be incredibly burdensome to the private hire industry‘. :D

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