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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:57 pm 
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In today's Edinburgh Evening News


Threat from private hires drives black cab firms' talks on merger
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Published Date: 25 February 2010

By CHRIS MARSHALL

TWO of the Capital's biggest black cab firms are in talks over a possible merger amid suggestions they are losing ground to the city's private hire trade.
Central Taxis and City Cabs, which between them have around 700 vehicles, are in early discussions, with the threat from the city's minicab trade and rival firm ComCabs said to be looming.

Members of City Cabs, which is run as a co-operative, will
meet next week to discuss setting up a feasibility study.

The firm today said any merger was still "a long way off," but rumours that the two firms are set to join forces are rife.

Les McVey, company secretary for City Cabs, denied that the merger was being discussed.

He said: "We've set up a meeting with members for next week to discuss a feasibility study, but a merger is a long way off.

"There are a variety of reasons for it, but private hire firms have been here for several years. The two companies already work together at the airport, so it makes sense (to look into a merger]."

Last year, the city's black cab firms described a decision by the city council to allow minicabs the right to charge lower fares as a "recipe for disaster".

The move raised objections from Central Taxis and City Cabs, who argued it would lead to "confusion" among passengers.

The city's biggest private hire firm, Edinburgh City Private Hire, won the right to change its meters and undercut its competitors by up to 30 per cent following the ruling by licensing chiefs.

Kevin Woodburn, a director of Edinburgh City Private Hire and the chairman of the Edinburgh Private Hire Association, said the public was "sick of being charged extortionate fares" by Edinburgh's black cab firms.

He said: "I know the council is considering another tariff increase, so we could end up 35-40 per cent cheaper. If the black cab firms see us as a threat and think the best way to resolve that is to merge, then that's up to them."

Councillor Colin Keir, who chairs the council's regulatory committee overseeing the taxi trade, said he was aware of early discussions between the two firms, but said it was not a concern.

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[quote="Jasbar"]In today's Edinburgh Evening News


Threat from private hires drives black cab firms' talks on merger
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Published Date: 25 February 2010

By CHRIS MARSHALL

TWO of the Capital's biggest black cab firms are in talks over a possible merger amid suggestions they are losing ground to the city's private hire trade.
Central Taxis and City Cabs, which between them have around 700 vehicles, are in early discussions, with the threat from the city's minicab trade and rival firm ComCabs said to be looming.

Members of City Cabs, which is run as a co-operative, will
meet next week to discuss setting up a feasibility study.

The firm today said any merger was still "a long way off," but rumours that the two firms are set to join forces are rife.

Les McVey, company secretary for City Cabs, denied that the merger was being discussed.

He said: "We've set up a meeting with members for next week to discuss a feasibility study, but a merger is a long way off.

"There are a variety of reasons for it, but private hire firms have been here for several years. The two companies already work together at the airport, so it makes sense (to look into a merger]."

Last year, the city's black cab firms described a decision by the city council to allow minicabs the right to charge lower fares as a "recipe for disaster".

The move raised objections from Central Taxis and City Cabs, who argued it would lead to "confusion" among passengers.
its place on the battlefield.

There is not a better way to tell all of our customers that we're expensive and we're ripping them off - by up to a whopping 30%. And to help protect us while we roger them, we're gonna merge into a bigger co-operative so that we can use our greater clout to roger them even more.

That's what McVey told the customers. This is excellent PR for ECPH.

McVey has just made it harder for all of us, streetcars included.

As for Keir, his restriction has allowed the unfettered growth of PH to the point where it is no longer embryonic, it's now been born and is developing into the warrior that is going to slaughter us.

Rather than allow market forces to grow our trade, the restriction has fed all of the market's expansion needs into PH.

The trade barons have destroyed this trade with their amateurish commercial ineptness. Tinkering to suit their own greed has brought us to the brink of destruction.

If I were a customer of either of these two stupid companies, with their stupid memberships for allowing the scum to destroy the trade, I would be looking for a hefty contract price reduction after reading this.

And who's gonna have to pay for this, the stupid members.

Travis Gladstone, Dougie and the host of other sycophantic asswedgies - this is your doing too. You can share the responsibility for massaging the egos of the vested interests.


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Why dont you start a campaign Jaspar.....start knocking 30% off the metered fare?

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captain cab wrote:
Why dont you start a campaign Jaspar.....start knocking 30% off the metered fare?

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He will once he gets his own plate after the court case, yellow fluorescent lettering stands out day and night :wink:


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captain cab wrote:
Why dont you start a campaign Jaspar.....start knocking 30% off the metered fare?

CC


Who knows, a black taxi, bearing a PH company advert, on its circuit and using its tariff?

The potential is enormous.

As they say, keep your friends close ...

BTW What is NTA's policy on restruiction Wayne?

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Jasbar wrote:
captain cab wrote:
Why dont you start a campaign Jaspar.....start knocking 30% off the metered fare?

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Who knows, a black taxi, bearing a PH company advert, on its circuit and using its tariff?

The potential is enormous.

As they say, keep your friends close ...

BTW What is NTA's policy on restruiction Wayne?


You could put a sign on your cab 30% off.......ask skip for advice on this :D

whats "restruiction" Jimbob?

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Well, if you wanted to show the Edinburgh public, and your competitor that you are weak, and desperate, you couldn't have done a better job.

Les McVey, you haven't gotten a clue.

Not only do you give ECPH, the high ground on the battlefield, you want to take the fight to them by running up hill with the sun in your eyes. ECPH, along with the help of their new found friends, the Edinburgh Public, will cut us to pieces.

The Public Relations (PR) War is almost lost before it even got started.

Les you are a complete Turkey. :roll:

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Surprise, Surprise !

Ecph have had two half page adverts in the een then today we have a fabricated story about CRT & City need to merge because of fear of the private hire & Comcabs.

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/ ... 6103288.jp

Were the prices quoted actually genuine ?, because the city price was £1 dearer than CRT, which is hard to believe since it is a straightforward journey. Was the pH price done with map-point which they use to quote prices ?

They may think it's a good marketing ploy, but reality will find them out ! !

Many of their drivers have left due to untold hassle when customers realise they're not actually getting 30% discount, but up-to 30% is what they get ! !
Speaking to their drivers and judging by the amount of seagulling still going on, the fabricated discount isn't making them any busier Huh Huh

Any threat from comcabs is a nonstarter !
They may be part of a bigger group but they haven't made a profit in the last 5 years.
So the prospect of the parent company throwing in more money for buy-outs is nil !
I've had a look at CRT's figures which are out for the forthcoming AGM, and if they're in financial trouble I'll give my plate to Failor for nowt ! City's accounts stack up pretty similarly Shocked Shocked

Reality is maybe kicking in for ecph, that previous practices of going in & undercutting competitors to squeeze them out of business, which has been successful before, isn't & wont actually work in Edinburgh.

They are trying any which way they can to destabilise & discredit the Big-two with ludicrous stories as seen on here & TDO posted by Skull and failor who have openly admitted the information is coming via iain colqhoun & Alan Johnston (both Ex-chairman of CRT). Both very bitter of what they had & lost !

Both committees may have their faults, but right now they are both in a good solid position within the Edinburgh taxi trade.
They are constantly working & thriving to sustain a high standard of service to the public & trade through their work against delimitation & now advertising on pH cars, which is hurting the pH. Hence their campaign.

Whether you are a streetcar, CRT,Comcab or City we all need to do our bit to thwart the attempts with the underhanded tactics to muscle in to the market. Speak to the guys on the committees whether your in the companies or not & you'll find they're very open & honest( I did two weeks ago with a City guy about the advertising).
He said to object to the advertising via your councillors as it's a ploy for the greenways & the next push was for pH street pickups!

http://www.fastblacks.com/phc.html


Travis



Travis you are pathetic, and everyone knows it.

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Wouldn't it have been more prudent to simply repond with "no comment" until the matter had been resolved then address the public with the benefits to them of any merger?

BTW What are the benefits to the public of a merger?

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Jasbar wrote:
Wouldn't it have been more prudent to simply repond with "no comment" until the matter had been resolved then address the public with the benefits to them of any merger?

BTW What are the benefits to the public of a merger?


Jeez I actually agree with you, can't help wondering what it's got to do with ECC tho

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captain cab wrote:
Jasbar wrote:
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Why dont you start a campaign Jaspar.....start knocking 30% off the metered fare?

CC


Who knows, a black taxi, bearing a PH company advert, on its circuit and using its tariff?

The potential is enormous.

As they say, keep your friends close ...

BTW What is NTA's policy on restruiction Wayne?


You could put a sign on your cab 30% off.......ask skip for advice on this :D

whats "restruiction" Jimbob?

CC


I was avoiding usiing the term "restriction" directly, just like you're avoiding explaining the NTA's policy in respect of it :lol:

I suspect that you either are unable to explain it or are not permitted to do so :wink:

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I think you'll find I've already answered your query

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I think you'll find I've already answered your query

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Really, then I thank you for it.

But, er, where and when exactly?

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It was elsewhere in the Scottish section, the policy is survey driven regulation, there is an additional belief that local transport plans should adapted to include regular transport demand surveys.

A policy adopted at the agm of particular interest was one of making councils adopt survey recommendations.

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It was elsewhere in the Scottish section, the policy is survey driven regulation, there is an additional belief that local transport plans should adapted to include regular transport demand surveys.

A policy adopted at the agm of particular interest was one of making councils adopt survey recommendations.

CC


And, in determining the policy, what consideration did the NTA give to the rights of drivers to have unfettered access to the tools of their trade?

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