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Question is, should such an unstable mind as Dougies be allowed to serve the public?

Looks like the edge is looming very close. Perhaps the strain is getting to the puir wee soul.

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Dougie why would any one pay anyone else £200 if they could simply run their own cab for well almost nothing.
or rent if they want

the key word is choice

right now there ain't any

Patons have been leasing Taxi's too owners for years, Ian Taylor p172 for one :lol: Maybe you should ask him and the many others that do :lol: :lol:

Choice!!! compare my response to Jims post and EHHH you'll find your currently better off for CHOICE the way it is :wink: :wink:

What a response to my post, the pair of you make me :lol: :lol:

as far as im aware patons haven't leased vehicles for years.
but what has the leasing of a vehicle got to do with anything :?: :?: :?:
i think you will find we are talking about licenses Dougie.
you appear to be a little confused here,everything you come out out with smacks of desperation.

im beginning to wonder if you have a clue as to what you paid for. :roll:


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Jasbar wrote:
1. It degrades drivers - enslaves them, makes them chattels of existing owners - and discriminates against them.

2. It forces drivers to work when there is little demand, clogging up ranks during quiet periods.

3. It forces drivers to work longer hours, increasing tiredness and compromising public safety.

4. Tired drivers withdraw before peak period demand is satisfied, reducing service to the public encouraging them to walk the streets and/or enticing them to take chances with illegal hires.

5. Creates a power group that abuses its privileged market position to maintain discrimination against new market entrants. A complete contradiction of normal market mores and anti-competitive.

6. Stifles enterprise leading to the trade dictating a poor service to the market rather than responding to what the market needs and would pay for.

7. Delivers high rentals that translate directly into higher than necessary fares for a public being ripped off.

8. It denies drivers any real say in shaping their trade, their working environment.

9. It invests inordinate control in the council who conduct themselves as employers rather than licencers charged with ensuring public safety, and allows it to abuse its power to protect its own transport interests - not a function accorded them in Law.

10. High rentals, high fares - a bad deal for drivers and customers.


1. You could argue that this is the case with De-restriction as companies leasing Taxi's and radio's will crop up, charging drivers roughly the same amount as a current rental. Skull has said it himself that when Edinburgh De-restricts he will be quite happy to lease a Taxi from Mc auley, £200 per week he quoted and :D to do so :lol:

2. This could and most probably will be the case in your De-restricted world except the Standard of driver will be much lower and probably a majority will eh no understande englisheh eusasmiles.zip

3. Well number 3 is self explanatory!!! its bad enough the now but in a De-restricted market god help us how many hours we would need :cry: Aye graft in deed taylor i might need eye openers to keep my eyes open the number of hours i'll need to work :cry:

4. De-restriction will kill the market 24 hours a day, all that will happen is the professionalism will go right out the window and an increase in public disorder offences will increase BETWEEN taxi drivers as we all start fighting each other for the bread crumbs De-restriction will cause :cry:

5. This is Taylors game opening the door for companies like Ecph to lease Taxi's and radio's and on their terms TAKE it or LEAVE it, aye the result of de-restriction :cry:

6.Poor service my a-hole, de-restriction will drive down the service beyond repair, illegal driver numbers will increase 10 fold, the trade will become un-policable, Enterprise!!! De-restriction will take the enterprise factor right out the game as companies like ecph will TELL (dictate) there drivers what they charge, TAKE it or Leave it, example, Airport job yours if you accept 30% less than the market value :lol:

7. No different to what will be charged by companies leasing Taxi and radio, but the downside 30% cheaper fares, How the public are being ripped off by the value of rental is beyond me :?

8. Under De-restriction companies like ecph will yeild massivley more control, the trade at the moment is controlled by the INDIVIDUAL you can't get more control than that :D

9. All is fair in LAW and public transport we cannot have one controlling over another, there is nothing wrong with regulation that protects all forms of public transport of which keeps the market competition based, A de-restricted Taxi trade would massivley put public safety at more risk than less :)

10. High rentals have nothing to do with the Tarrif, the cost of Taxi's and their maintainance does, high rentals are a result of greed but are agreed by driver so the driver has CHOICE on wether to accept or not, de-restriction will lead to a take it or leave it attitude by controlling companies like Ecph, as they already do :cry:

Now Jim i don't take pills or any kind of medication to counter your mission of which the sole aim is to destroy a perfectly good Edinburgh trade. I will continue to tout my idea for a much higher new application fee to stop the real carpet baggers, i don't mind a level of de-restriction but we need a form of self restriction before total de-restriction, investment is good for our trade it gives us committed investors to provide the best service possible and thats from customer to Taxi.

You will be and alway's will be a man who missed out on the opertunity to operate his own cab, c'mon how much rental have you paid over the years? commercially aware my a-s :lol:


Just in case you missed it JT (jasbar) :lol: :lol:

Desperation!!! I'm content with my life :) :)

Consequence!!!
You posted: What does Edinburgh's restriction really achieve?

I've posted the Consequence of De-restriction, in my opinion and many others.

Have you no opinion of Consequence :shock:

Debate Consequence, C'mon Jim, Skull and Ali T have you's nothing constructive to say :shock: :shock:

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Private Reggie wrote:
Jasbar wrote:
1. It degrades drivers - enslaves them, makes them chattels of existing owners - and discriminates against them.

2. It forces drivers to work when there is little demand, clogging up ranks during quiet periods.

3. It forces drivers to work longer hours, increasing tiredness and compromising public safety.

4. Tired drivers withdraw before peak period demand is satisfied, reducing service to the public encouraging them to walk the streets and/or enticing them to take chances with illegal hires.

5. Creates a power group that abuses its privileged market position to maintain discrimination against new market entrants. A complete contradiction of normal market mores and anti-competitive.

6. Stifles enterprise leading to the trade dictating a poor service to the market rather than responding to what the market needs and would pay for.

7. Delivers high rentals that translate directly into higher than necessary fares for a public being ripped off.

8. It denies drivers any real say in shaping their trade, their working environment.

9. It invests inordinate control in the council who conduct themselves as employers rather than licencers charged with ensuring public safety, and allows it to abuse its power to protect its own transport interests - not a function accorded them in Law.

10. High rentals, high fares - a bad deal for drivers and customers.


1. You could argue that this is the case with De-restriction as companies leasing Taxi's and radio's will crop up, charging drivers roughly the same amount as a current rental. Skull has said it himself that when Edinburgh De-restricts he will be quite happy to lease a Taxi from Mc auley, £200 per week he quoted and :D to do so :lol:

thats what currently happens dougie and its what would happen with your new york way.
it may happen with de-reg but at least the driver would have the choice of simply buying his own taxi,without the required 50k plate value


2. This could and most probably will be the case in your De-restricted world except the Standard of driver will be much lower and probably a majority will eh no understande englisheh eusasmiles.zip

did you read what jim said ?
working when there is little demand is what happens now.
it would also happen under de-reg but to a much lesser extent as drivers would have a choice when to work their own cabs.
btw you should have a good look at yourself before you go slagging off others English,your hardly a wordsmith and i doubt you speak any polish,french,spanish,or hurdu.its our education thats sadly lacking not theirs


3. Well number 3 is self explanatory!!! its bad enough the now but in a De-restricted market god help us how many hours we would need :cry: Aye graft in deed taylor i might need eye openers to keep my eyes open the number of hours i'll need to work :cry:

well that would be your choice dougie.
i notice you pick your hours of work,is that because your taxi and plate are paid off,and you choose to work when it suits,and when the demand is high,like me,this is because i have little outgoings,no plate or taxi to finance


4. De-restriction will kill the market 24 hours a day, all that will happen is the professionalism will go right out the window and an increase in public disorder offences will increase BETWEEN taxi drivers as we all start fighting each other for the bread crumbs De-restriction will cause :cry:

make up your mind your either working all the hours or no one comes out at non peak times,as for taxi drivers fighting in the streets C'MON

5. This is Taylors game opening the door for companies like Ecph to lease Taxi's and radio's and on their terms TAKE it or LEAVE it, aye the result of de-restriction :cry:

well under de-reg he can leave it....again it his/her choice and no plate value

6.Poor service my a-hole, de-restriction will drive down the service beyond repair, illegal driver numbers will increase 10 fold, the trade will become un-policable, Enterprise!!! De-restriction will take the enterprise factor right out the game as companies like ecph will TELL (dictate) there drivers what they charge, TAKE it or Leave it, example, Airport job yours if you accept 30% less than the market value :lol:

already answered above you seem to be repeating the same pash to every question

7. No different to what will be charged by companies leasing Taxi and radio, but the downside 30% cheaper fares, How the public are being ripped off by the value of rental is beyond me :?

are you saying that tariff's are not directly related to cost dougie

8. Under De-restriction companies like ecph will yeild massivley more control, the trade at the moment is controlled by the INDIVIDUAL you can't get more control than that :D

the trade is under the control of the council who listen to a few individuals from companies that have commercial(get this)interests in the trade(not the taxi service and certainly not the taxi drivers

9. All is fair in LAW and public transport we cannot have one controlling over another, there is nothing wrong with regulation that protects all forms of public transport of which keeps the market competition based, A de-restricted Taxi trade would massively put public safety at more risk than less :)

dougie the council owned bus service is de-restricted.
and they have far more control over that,indeed its the other way round with the commercial interest of the bus company dictating what it wants and the council giving it.
the exact opposite is true of the taxi trade
and how would the public be at risk,it hasn't happened with the buses,or any other de-reg taxi area that i know of


10. High rentals have nothing to do with the Tarrif, the cost of Taxi's and their maintainance does, high rentals are a result of greed but are agreed by driver so the driver has CHOICE on wether to accept or not, de-restriction will lead to a take it or leave it attitude by controlling companies like Ecph, as they already do :cry:

how can a driver agree,he has no choice take it or leave it.
im confused Dougie :wink:
you do know that under de-reg that driver can get his own plate for the price of the app fee don't you ???
its just this seems fundamental to the argument and it would seem it is not a fact you are familiar with


Now Jim i don't take pills or any kind of medication to counter your mission of which the sole aim is to destroy a perfectly good Edinburgh trade. I will continue to tout my idea for a much higher new application fee to stop the real carpet baggers, i don't mind a level of de-restriction but we need a form of self restriction before total de-restriction, investment is good for our trade it gives us committed investors to provide the best service possible and thats from customer to Taxi.

You will be and alway's will be a man who missed out on the opertunity to operate his own cab, c'mon how much rental have you paid over the years? commercially aware my a-s :lol:

yes i dont think you can see the irony in what you say dougie.
i paid for a rental for all those years because i couldn't get finance like many others,and not because of poor credit but because i had no equity to guarantee the loan.
btw its a strange way to gloat dougie

after all ive had 3 plates to your 1,all in in the space of 2 years


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Private Reggie wrote:
Private Reggie wrote:
Private Reggie wrote:
Jasbar wrote:
1. It degrades drivers - enslaves them, makes them chattels of existing owners - and discriminates against them.

2. It forces drivers to work when there is little demand, clogging up ranks during quiet periods.

3. It forces drivers to work longer hours, increasing tiredness and compromising public safety.

4. Tired drivers withdraw before peak period demand is satisfied, reducing service to the public encouraging them to walk the streets and/or enticing them to take chances with illegal hires.

5. Creates a power group that abuses its privileged market position to maintain discrimination against new market entrants. A complete contradiction of normal market mores and anti-competitive.

6. Stifles enterprise leading to the trade dictating a poor service to the market rather than responding to what the market needs and would pay for.

7. Delivers high rentals that translate directly into higher than necessary fares for a public being ripped off.

8. It denies drivers any real say in shaping their trade, their working environment.

9. It invests inordinate control in the council who conduct themselves as employers rather than licencers charged with ensuring public safety, and allows it to abuse its power to protect its own transport interests - not a function accorded them in Law.

10. High rentals, high fares - a bad deal for drivers and customers.


1. You could argue that this is the case with De-restriction as companies leasing Taxi's and radio's will crop up, charging drivers roughly the same amount as a current rental. Skull has said it himself that when Edinburgh De-restricts he will be quite happy to lease a Taxi from Mc auley, £200 per week he quoted and :D to do so :lol:

2. This could and most probably will be the case in your De-restricted world except the Standard of driver will be much lower and probably a majority will eh no understande englisheh eusasmiles.zip

3. Well number 3 is self explanatory!!! its bad enough the now but in a De-restricted market god help us how many hours we would need :cry: Aye graft in deed taylor i might need eye openers to keep my eyes open the number of hours i'll need to work :cry:

4. De-restriction will kill the market 24 hours a day, all that will happen is the professionalism will go right out the window and an increase in public disorder offences will increase BETWEEN taxi drivers as we all start fighting each other for the bread crumbs De-restriction will cause :cry:

5. This is Taylors game opening the door for companies like Ecph to lease Taxi's and radio's and on their terms TAKE it or LEAVE it, aye the result of de-restriction :cry:

6.Poor service my a-hole, de-restriction will drive down the service beyond repair, illegal driver numbers will increase 10 fold, the trade will become un-policable, Enterprise!!! De-restriction will take the enterprise factor right out the game as companies like ecph will TELL (dictate) there drivers what they charge, TAKE it or Leave it, example, Airport job yours if you accept 30% less than the market value :lol:

7. No different to what will be charged by companies leasing Taxi and radio, but the downside 30% cheaper fares, How the public are being ripped off by the value of rental is beyond me :?

8. Under De-restriction companies like ecph will yeild massivley more control, the trade at the moment is controlled by the INDIVIDUAL you can't get more control than that :D

9. All is fair in LAW and public transport we cannot have one controlling over another, there is nothing wrong with regulation that protects all forms of public transport of which keeps the market competition based, A de-restricted Taxi trade would massivley put public safety at more risk than less :)

10. High rentals have nothing to do with the Tarrif, the cost of Taxi's and their maintainance does, high rentals are a result of greed but are agreed by driver so the driver has CHOICE on wether to accept or not, de-restriction will lead to a take it or leave it attitude by controlling companies like Ecph, as they already do :cry:

Now Jim i don't take pills or any kind of medication to counter your mission of which the sole aim is to destroy a perfectly good Edinburgh trade. I will continue to tout my idea for a much higher new application fee to stop the real carpet baggers, i don't mind a level of de-restriction but we need a form of self restriction before total de-restriction, investment is good for our trade it gives us committed investors to provide the best service possible and thats from customer to Taxi.

You will be and alway's will be a man who missed out on the opertunity to operate his own cab, c'mon how much rental have you paid over the years? commercially aware my a-s :lol:


Just in case you missed it JT (jasbar) :lol: :lol:

Desperation!!! I'm content with my life :) :)

Consequence!!!
You posted: What does Edinburgh's restriction really achieve?

I've posted the Consequence of De-restriction, in my opinion and many others.

Have you no opinion of Consequence :shock:

Debate Consequence, C'mon Jim, Skull and Ali T have you's nothing constructive to say :shock: :shock:


Dougie, you are an imbecile.

"You's nothing constructive to say"

I take that back, you're a scared imbecile.

But take heart in the knowledge my little chickadee imbecile, everything you spout is what gives us the strength to make sure we drive you into the mire.

The more you spout, the more empowered we become.

because Dougie, your thick inability to reason with logic is precisely why you need to be stopped. YOU are the enemy. And you are going down.

Anyone else would survive because they would draw upon grit and commercial acumen. We rest easily in the knowledge that you have neither. We KNOW you're dead in the water.

And we relish your pain :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5eWxrDD4Vs

The Three Amigo's in Edinburgh, Jasbar Skull and Ali T will argue that this action didn't happen, if they do accept this event happened they will say the MASSIVE majority are wrong and they are right eusasmiles.zip (a-sh-les)

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Private Reggie wrote:
stationtone wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5eWxrDD4Vs

The Three Amigo's in Edinburgh, Jasbar Skull and Ali T will argue that this action didn't happen, if they do accept this event happened they will say the MASSIVE majority are wrong and they are right eusasmiles.zip (a-sh-les)

Dougie i didn't even look at the vid, i take its a protest of some sort for re-restriction

nothing new there,human nature of the weak and ignorant to run back to what they had before,once they have what they want.
of course what they had before didn't work either,and to go back to it will only make history repeat itself in a few years time.
totally pointless, but unfortunately utterly predicable

no such weakness from us.

btw aren't you going to debate my comments on your tipsy topsy world that you described above :wink:


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Jasbar wrote:
Private Reggie wrote:
Private Reggie wrote:
Private Reggie wrote:
Jasbar wrote:
1. It degrades drivers - enslaves them, makes them chattels of existing owners - and discriminates against them.

2. It forces drivers to work when there is little demand, clogging up ranks during quiet periods.

3. It forces drivers to work longer hours, increasing tiredness and compromising public safety.

4. Tired drivers withdraw before peak period demand is satisfied, reducing service to the public encouraging them to walk the streets and/or enticing them to take chances with illegal hires.

5. Creates a power group that abuses its privileged market position to maintain discrimination against new market entrants. A complete contradiction of normal market mores and anti-competitive.

6. Stifles enterprise leading to the trade dictating a poor service to the market rather than responding to what the market needs and would pay for.

7. Delivers high rentals that translate directly into higher than necessary fares for a public being ripped off.

8. It denies drivers any real say in shaping their trade, their working environment.

9. It invests inordinate control in the council who conduct themselves as employers rather than licencers charged with ensuring public safety, and allows it to abuse its power to protect its own transport interests - not a function accorded them in Law.

10. High rentals, high fares - a bad deal for drivers and customers.


1. You could argue that this is the case with De-restriction as companies leasing Taxi's and radio's will crop up, charging drivers roughly the same amount as a current rental. Skull has said it himself that when Edinburgh De-restricts he will be quite happy to lease a Taxi from Mc auley, £200 per week he quoted and :D to do so :lol:

2. This could and most probably will be the case in your De-restricted world except the Standard of driver will be much lower and probably a majority will eh no understande englisheh eusasmiles.zip

3. Well number 3 is self explanatory!!! its bad enough the now but in a De-restricted market god help us how many hours we would need :cry: Aye graft in deed taylor i might need eye openers to keep my eyes open the number of hours i'll need to work :cry:

4. De-restriction will kill the market 24 hours a day, all that will happen is the professionalism will go right out the window and an increase in public disorder offences will increase BETWEEN taxi drivers as we all start fighting each other for the bread crumbs De-restriction will cause :cry:

5. This is Taylors game opening the door for companies like Ecph to lease Taxi's and radio's and on their terms TAKE it or LEAVE it, aye the result of de-restriction :cry:

6.Poor service my a-hole, de-restriction will drive down the service beyond repair, illegal driver numbers will increase 10 fold, the trade will become un-policable, Enterprise!!! De-restriction will take the enterprise factor right out the game as companies like ecph will TELL (dictate) there drivers what they charge, TAKE it or Leave it, example, Airport job yours if you accept 30% less than the market value :lol:

7. No different to what will be charged by companies leasing Taxi and radio, but the downside 30% cheaper fares, How the public are being ripped off by the value of rental is beyond me :?

8. Under De-restriction companies like ecph will yeild massivley more control, the trade at the moment is controlled by the INDIVIDUAL you can't get more control than that :D

9. All is fair in LAW and public transport we cannot have one controlling over another, there is nothing wrong with regulation that protects all forms of public transport of which keeps the market competition based, A de-restricted Taxi trade would massivley put public safety at more risk than less :)

10. High rentals have nothing to do with the Tarrif, the cost of Taxi's and their maintainance does, high rentals are a result of greed but are agreed by driver so the driver has CHOICE on wether to accept or not, de-restriction will lead to a take it or leave it attitude by controlling companies like Ecph, as they already do :cry:

Now Jim i don't take pills or any kind of medication to counter your mission of which the sole aim is to destroy a perfectly good Edinburgh trade. I will continue to tout my idea for a much higher new application fee to stop the real carpet baggers, i don't mind a level of de-restriction but we need a form of self restriction before total de-restriction, investment is good for our trade it gives us committed investors to provide the best service possible and thats from customer to Taxi.

You will be and alway's will be a man who missed out on the opertunity to operate his own cab, c'mon how much rental have you paid over the years? commercially aware my a-s :lol:


Just in case you missed it JT (jasbar) :lol: :lol:

Desperation!!! I'm content with my life :) :)

Consequence!!!
You posted: What does Edinburgh's restriction really achieve?

I've posted the Consequence of De-restriction, in my opinion and many others.

Have you no opinion of Consequence :shock:

Debate Consequence, C'mon Jim, Skull and Ali T have you's nothing constructive to say :shock: :shock:


Dougie, you are an imbecile.

"You's nothing constructive to say"

I take that back, you're a scared imbecile.

But take heart in the knowledge my little chickadee imbecile, everything you spout is what gives us the strength to make sure we drive you into the mire.

The more you spout, the more empowered we become.

because Dougie, your thick inability to reason with logic is precisely why you need to be stopped. YOU are the enemy. And you are going down.

Anyone else would survive because they would draw upon grit and commercial acumen. We rest easily in the knowledge that you have neither. We KNOW you're dead in the water.

And we relish your pain :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


I asked for a constructive debate not destructive but your venomous points are noted :wink:

Now in your original post you wrote concerning Enslaving drivers!!! Are you saying as i believe that ECPH are guilty already of enslaving their drivers and owners, dictating a decrease of 30% on a take it or leave it basis? So that's it started then it's already happening, drivers rights are being breached, why are you not fighting their case Jim?

De-restriction will lead to massivley more of this action by radio circuits, my point in my response proven :D

You in your response offered no constructive objection to the points raised by me, so i take it you accept my opinion can be just as much a reality as your opinion, so really whats the point in pursueing your de-restriction mission? Restriction or de-restriction there is no real difference as far as breaching drivers rights, it is going on now and will get worse under de-restriction and you know this don't you :wink: Enslavement will get worse and worse until all the good guy's leave the trade, and just like Dublin we Edinburgh will be in a right mess :oops:

Maybe i should start to highlight more the breach of Human rights within a de-restricted market as i have just done :D i might send my SNP mates a wee e-mail of this post? Your 10 and my 10 eh what do you say to that!!! oh sorry i have already done that :D :D

Jim the Ghosties of Taxi plates past are coming to get you BOOOOOOO :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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ALI T wrote:
Private Reggie wrote:
Jasbar wrote:
1. It degrades drivers - enslaves them, makes them chattels of existing owners - and discriminates against them.

2. It forces drivers to work when there is little demand, clogging up ranks during quiet periods.

3. It forces drivers to work longer hours, increasing tiredness and compromising public safety.

4. Tired drivers withdraw before peak period demand is satisfied, reducing service to the public encouraging them to walk the streets and/or enticing them to take chances with illegal hires.

5. Creates a power group that abuses its privileged market position to maintain discrimination against new market entrants. A complete contradiction of normal market mores and anti-competitive.

6. Stifles enterprise leading to the trade dictating a poor service to the market rather than responding to what the market needs and would pay for.

7. Delivers high rentals that translate directly into higher than necessary fares for a public being ripped off.

8. It denies drivers any real say in shaping their trade, their working environment.

9. It invests inordinate control in the council who conduct themselves as employers rather than licencers charged with ensuring public safety, and allows it to abuse its power to protect its own transport interests - not a function accorded them in Law.

10. High rentals, high fares - a bad deal for drivers and customers.


1. You could argue that this is the case with De-restriction as companies leasing Taxi's and radio's will crop up, charging drivers roughly the same amount as a current rental. Skull has said it himself that when Edinburgh De-restricts he will be quite happy to lease a Taxi from Mc auley, £200 per week he quoted and :D to do so :lol:

thats what currently happens dougie and its what would happen with your new york way.
it may happen with de-reg but at least the driver would have the choice of simply buying his own taxi,without the required 50k plate value


2. This could and most probably will be the case in your De-restricted world except the Standard of driver will be much lower and probably a majority will eh no understande englisheh eusasmiles.zip

did you read what jim said ?
working when there is little demand is what happens now.
it would also happen under de-reg but to a much lesser extent as drivers would have a choice when to work their own cabs.
btw you should have a good look at yourself before you go slagging off others English,your hardly a wordsmith and i doubt you speak any polish,french,spanish,or hurdu.its our education thats sadly lacking not theirs


3. Well number 3 is self explanatory!!! its bad enough the now but in a De-restricted market god help us how many hours we would need :cry: Aye graft in deed taylor i might need eye openers to keep my eyes open the number of hours i'll need to work :cry:

well that would be your choice dougie.
i notice you pick your hours of work,is that because your taxi and plate are paid off,and you choose to work when it suits,and when the demand is high,like me,this is because i have little outgoings,no plate or taxi to finance


4. De-restriction will kill the market 24 hours a day, all that will happen is the professionalism will go right out the window and an increase in public disorder offences will increase BETWEEN taxi drivers as we all start fighting each other for the bread crumbs De-restriction will cause :cry:

make up your mind your either working all the hours or no one comes out at non peak times,as for taxi drivers fighting in the streets C'MON

5. This is Taylors game opening the door for companies like Ecph to lease Taxi's and radio's and on their terms TAKE it or LEAVE it, aye the result of de-restriction :cry:

well under de-reg he can leave it....again it his/her choice and no plate value

6.Poor service my a-hole, de-restriction will drive down the service beyond repair, illegal driver numbers will increase 10 fold, the trade will become un-policable, Enterprise!!! De-restriction will take the enterprise factor right out the game as companies like ecph will TELL (dictate) there drivers what they charge, TAKE it or Leave it, example, Airport job yours if you accept 30% less than the market value :lol:

already answered above you seem to be repeating the same pash to every question

7. No different to what will be charged by companies leasing Taxi and radio, but the downside 30% cheaper fares, How the public are being ripped off by the value of rental is beyond me :?

are you saying that tariff's are not directly related to cost dougie

8. Under De-restriction companies like ecph will yeild massivley more control, the trade at the moment is controlled by the INDIVIDUAL you can't get more control than that :D

the trade is under the control of the council who listen to a few individuals from companies that have commercial(get this)interests in the trade(not the taxi service and certainly not the taxi drivers

9. All is fair in LAW and public transport we cannot have one controlling over another, there is nothing wrong with regulation that protects all forms of public transport of which keeps the market competition based, A de-restricted Taxi trade would massively put public safety at more risk than less :)

dougie the council owned bus service is de-restricted.
and they have far more control over that,indeed its the other way round with the commercial interest of the bus company dictating what it wants and the council giving it.
the exact opposite is true of the taxi trade
and how would the public be at risk,it hasn't happened with the buses,or any other de-reg taxi area that i know of


10. High rentals have nothing to do with the Tarrif, the cost of Taxi's and their maintainance does, high rentals are a result of greed but are agreed by driver so the driver has CHOICE on wether to accept or not, de-restriction will lead to a take it or leave it attitude by controlling companies like Ecph, as they already do :cry:

how can a driver agree,he has no choice take it or leave it.
im confused Dougie :wink:
you do know that under de-reg that driver can get his own plate for the price of the app fee don't you ???
its just this seems fundamental to the argument and it would seem it is not a fact you are familiar with


Now Jim i don't take pills or any kind of medication to counter your mission of which the sole aim is to destroy a perfectly good Edinburgh trade. I will continue to tout my idea for a much higher new application fee to stop the real carpet baggers, i don't mind a level of de-restriction but we need a form of self restriction before total de-restriction, investment is good for our trade it gives us committed investors to provide the best service possible and thats from customer to Taxi.

You will be and alway's will be a man who missed out on the opertunity to operate his own cab, c'mon how much rental have you paid over the years? commercially aware my a-s :lol:

yes i dont think you can see the irony in what you say dougie.
i paid for a rental for all those years because i couldn't get finance like many others,and not because of poor credit but because i had no equity to guarantee the loan.
btw its a strange way to gloat dougie

after all ive had 3 plates to your 1,all in in the space of 2 years


Finances dictate choice and trust me ALI there won't be enough trade to go round if Edinburgh De-restricts the number of Taxi's, any one with Half a brain (i will give you 3/4s) knows the number of plates will double eusasmiles.zip Ali under De-restriction we will all be doing the same hours chasing the same buck if there is enough bucks to go round. One of the problems Dublin has is the Dirty tactics the Nigerians use, i think Birmingham has a problem too, ALAN Bray (birmingham) of a black taxi firm told me so eusasmiles.zip . The one thing that i and the mass majority want is job security de-restriction takes job security right out the trade, what do we do if we are forced out by the ENSLAVERS? You might think i'm repeating myself but i'm comparing my opinion to Jims, so if i'm repeating myself it's only because i'm responding to a repetitive question :D I said the Tarrif is related to cost just not the setting of the rental, now who's not reading correctly :lol: On Number 8 at this moment the trade is an individuals trade under de-restriction well as jim said ENSLAVEMENT eusasmiles.zip Your response to number 9 is another example of ignorance, one word COMPETITION, I'm willing to compete with buses, trams and phc and hey a lot of guy's jobs depend on these alternative forms of public transport :wink: :wink: If i was a driver and an owner tried to charge me £250 mon-fri 6-6, i'd tell him where to go, now that's choice, check my thread on the Edinburgh forum :wink:

Ali T, Skull and Jim Taylor i don't give a feck what you think of me, i have an opinion, i enjoy the debate, i keep it clean and without direct threats, ALL IS FAIR IN LOVE AND TAXI REGULATION :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Dougie, the trade is fecked, and if you haven't worked it out yet, it's every man for himself. :roll: :roll:

That's why it's better the devil you know :wink: The trade works for me :wink:

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Finances dictate choice and trust me ALI there won't be enough trade to go round if Edinburgh De-restricts the number of Taxi's, any one with Half a brain (i will give you 3/4s) knows the number of plates will double Ali under De-restriction we will all be doing the same hours chasing the same buck if there is enough bucks to go round. One of the problems Dublin has is the Dirty tactics the Nigerians use, i think Birmingham has a problem too, ALAN Bray (birmingham) of a black taxi firm told me so . The one thing that i and the mass majority want is job security de-restriction takes job security right out the trade, what do we do if we are forced out by the ENSLAVERS? You might think i'm repeating myself but i'm comparing my opinion to Jims, so if i'm repeating myself it's only because i'm responding to a repetitive question I said the Tarrif is related to cost just not the setting of the rental, now who's not reading correctly On Number 8 at this moment the trade is an individuals trade under de-restriction well as jim said ENSLAVEMENT Your response to number 9 is another example of ignorance, one word COMPETITION, I'm willing to compete with buses, trams and phc and hey a lot of guy's jobs depend on these alternative forms of public transport If i was a driver and an owner tried to charge me £250 mon-fri 6-6, i'd tell him where to go, now that's choice, check my thread on the Edinburgh forum

Ali T, Skull and Jim Taylor i don't give a feck what you think of me, i have an opinion, i enjoy the debate, i keep it clean and without direct threats, ALL IS FAIR IN LOVE AND TAXI REGULATION


dougie the drivers dont have job security they can be kicked into touch at the whim of some t*** owner.
the owner doesnt have job security either he can be kicked into touch by the council.


no one has job security dougie,you just want protection from market forces that everyone else has to live with.
what makes taxi drivers so special that they deserve this treatment :?: :?:

can you explain how under de-reg that any individual operator is enslaved by a company,or how he can be put out a job by that company or forced to take reduced price jobs(you are a licensed taxi remember,not a phc)

your not willing to compete Dougie did you like the taxi buses ?
are you willing to have an open market place to compete in?
no you prefer the closed shop mentality,where because of the limited number of taxi's you don't have to compete because what you actually bought was a certain amount of bodies to pick up per day guaranteed.
unfortunately the phc are not regulated and they will expand to meet the demand that the taxi's cannot because of the restricted numbers.

your not competing Dougie and only a halfwit would believe he is.

and Dougie if an owner tried to charge you £250 for 5 nights, yes you can tell him where to go,and the next owner would charge the same and the next,and then you either pay up or join the dole que simple really.
thats not the case if he has a choice to get his own license from the council.
then the owner would have to make the rental fairer,or lose a rental.

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Dougie, the trade is fecked, and if you haven't worked it out yet, it's every man for himself. :roll: :roll:

That's why it's better the devil you know :wink: The trade works for me :wink:

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