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If it was a Judicial review originally, why did it go to a mere (and lowly.....take note sussex) magistrate?

Was the appeal on something different?

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Mr Sussex posted the link to the written Judicial Review judgment. Tell me you've read it.

The original Stratford-upon-Avon Magistrates Court decided to exclude the evidence of the local authority officers.

In the written Judicial Review judgment it stated;

2. The magistrates dismissed the informations because the appellant offered no evidence. The appellant offered no evidence because the magistrates had excluded, under section 78 of Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984, the evidence of two undercover investigating officers who were employed by the appellant, Mr Jones and Ms Goodman. The magistrates excluded the evidence of the two officers because they concluded that the respondent had been persuaded to commit the offences alleged in the informations.

3. The magistrates posed two questions for the opinion of this court:

"(a) Were we correct in law to conclude that Mr Dyde had been persuaded to commit the offences?

(b) Were we correct to exclude the evidence of Mr Jones and Ms Goodman under section 78 of Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 for this reason?"

The Judicial Review was brought by the council to establish whether the Magistrates Court at Stratford-upon-Avon were correct to exclude the evidence as in point (b) above.

The Judicial Review concluded that the Magistrates Court were erronious in their procedures & sent the case back to the Magistrates Court for them to re-hear the case, having being given the correct legal guidance by the High Court, i.e. that the council officials' evidence should not have been excluded at the first Magistrates Court hearing.

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Cheers Brummie.......My memory aint what it used to be......could have sworn I heard mention of an application form (for example) :lol:

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Cheers Brummie.......My memory aint what it used to be......could have sworn I heard mention of an application form (for example) :lol:

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It's on it's way, but I had some darling hit me up the a*se about two weeks ago & the paperwork is crazy.

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Mr Dyde was found guilt of the offences, but (and here’s the bit I can’t understand), the Magistrates gave him an absolute discharge & there was no fine.

The JPs have agreed an offence was committed, but decided it wasn't worthy of a punishment, other than the costs.

The driver was just doing his job, and despite being a tad naive as to the rules and regs, his actions weren't a deliberate attempt to overcharge.

Methinks the LOs would have been better just writing or visiting the operator saying that they can't quote higher than the meter, and if they do then they no-longer can be operators.

As is quite common it's the driver that kops the s*** for the operators. :sad:

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So what can a driver charge then?? If a driver is travelling 7 miles to do a minimum fare job (like we do round here), is he allowed to impliment a booking fee?

One Saturday night before Christmas I did a 19 mile round trip for a £3.00 fare. With fuel at the price it's at and running costs we are not making anything on fares like that.


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So what can a driver charge then??

Anything he wants provided it has been passed by the council and put on the tariff sheet.

Booking fees, of various amounts, are found on many tariff sheets, so ask for one next time the fares are revised.

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Nigel wrote:
So what can a driver charge then?? If a driver is travelling 7 miles to do a minimum fare job (like we do round here), is he allowed to impliment a booking fee?

One Saturday night before Christmas I did a 19 mile round trip for a £3.00 fare. With fuel at the price it's at and running costs we are not making anything on fares like that.


If you are not going to make any money on a fare, why do it? It's one thing taking any job from the rank but if it is a phone booking that you have to use the meter on and make nothing just give them the number of a private hire company and say you are busy.

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Nigel wrote:
So what can a driver charge then?? If a driver is travelling 7 miles to do a minimum fare job (like we do round here), is he allowed to impliment a booking fee?

One Saturday night before Christmas I did a 19 mile round trip for a £3.00 fare. With fuel at the price it's at and running costs we are not making anything on fares like that.


If you are not going to make any money on a fare, why do it? It's one thing taking any job from the rank but if it is a phone booking that you have to use the meter on and make nothing just give them the number of a private hire company and say you are busy.


We've tried that but they keep phoning us. We tell them we've got nothing in that area for an hour and a half but they'll still book it. The best thing about it is, there's 4 firms in that area but they won't use them.


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there's 4 firms in that area but they won't use them.


Is it cos they are PH and are able to charge a booking fee? They do that where I live I paid £8 for a 1 mile trip home. The simple solution is to say there is nothing available at the moment and you can't take the booking. It's up to the customer then to either ring back or ring somebody else

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Nigel wrote:
So what can a driver charge then?? If a driver is travelling 7 miles to do a minimum fare job (like we do round here), is he allowed to impliment a booking fee?

One Saturday night before Christmas I did a 19 mile round trip for a £3.00 fare. With fuel at the price it's at and running costs we are not making anything on fares like that.


If you are not going to make any money on a fare, why do it? It's one thing taking any job from the rank but if it is a phone booking that you have to use the meter on and make nothing just give them the number of a private hire company and say you are busy.


We've tried that but they keep phoning us. We tell them we've got nothing in that area for an hour and a half but they'll still book it. The best thing about it is, there's 4 firms in that area but they won't use them.


Just tell them the truth then, that you can't do the job in a hackney carriage because you can't charge enough to cover the costs.

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Nigel wrote:
So what can a driver charge then?? If a driver is travelling 7 miles to do a minimum fare job (like we do round here), is he allowed to impliment a booking fee?

One Saturday night before Christmas I did a 19 mile round trip for a £3.00 fare. With fuel at the price it's at and running costs we are not making anything on fares like that.

Then don't do them; I certainly wouldn't!!

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grandad wrote:
Nigel wrote:
So what can a driver charge then?? If a driver is travelling 7 miles to do a minimum fare job (like we do round here), is he allowed to impliment a booking fee?

One Saturday night before Christmas I did a 19 mile round trip for a £3.00 fare. With fuel at the price it's at and running costs we are not making anything on fares like that.


If you are not going to make any money on a fare, why do it? It's one thing taking any job from the rank but if it is a phone booking that you have to use the meter on and make nothing just give them the number of a private hire company and say you are busy.

We've tried that but they keep phoning us. We tell them we've got nothing in that area for an hour and a half but they'll still book it. The best thing about it is, there's 4 firms in that area but they won't use them.

Then don't accept the booking.

Are the people that work in your booking office thick?

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