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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 9:09 am 
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Can you then tellme why the council decided to re restrict after removing restrictions ?

It's called having a gutless council that take what they hear from the trade at face value, without being bothered to check the validity of it.
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Of Course the rent would fall but with more Cabs/drivers on the road the drivers take home would not rise that much and might even fall.

Hang on a sec, is this the same Liverpool cab trade that can't get drivers now? :?
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Additionally,overcharging would become common, vehicle quality would deteriorate, driver quality would go down the tube and there would be many uninsured drivers about with bald tyres.

So the licensing team will disapper then? All it will take is for a few LOs to wait at the ranks a couple of days a week, and if a shed appears, then that's the end of it's license. I think you will find this happens up and down the country, and if it doesn't then the fault is shared by the council.
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A lot of drivers became part time.......working in factories (which are no longer there) during the week and driving cabs on the week end.
After this drivers did not renew their badges or their MOTs and eventually abandoned their taxis on streets.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. [-( [-(

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Mr Cheshire my good friend. Pray tell what prompted you to say that Liverpool had 3000 cabs and 50% of licence holders handed back their licence. Liverpool to my knowledge has never had 3000 licenced drivers let alone 3000 cabs. In 1971 they had 300, when did the numbers go to 3000?

maybe they did not reach 3,000. But,I amonly going by figures given to me by other drivers.
The point I am making is that Liverpool have been down that road and turned back. Why did they turn back ?


The figures with regard to Liverpool, Cheshire, are as follows.

Liverpool currently has 1417 licenced taxicabs and has had continually since that number was reached in the 1980's. At no time has a proprietor returned a licence plate.

That’s letting you down lightly, somebody else may have capitalised on the fact that you quoted grossly inaccurate figures with the sole purpose to mislead. They may have been less forgiving than I.

I happen to think your heart is in the right place, even though I may disagree with some of your points.

The lesson to be learned is that we all make mistakes but to intentionally mislead others in order to make ones point is not acceptable. Whether that intention is displayed in a forum like this or in the wider remit of our trade, it implies the arguments you are trying to articulate lack substance.

Sometimes fabrication is the only way of achieving short-term credibility.

Some in our trade would say that over the last twelve months we have seen far too many inaccuracies and fabrications both spoken and written, especially from those who purport to represent us, we don’t need anymore.

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Every business is Numerically restricted its just done in a round about way.
Restaurants (with some exceptions like the curry mile in Manchester) have ''volume'' restrictions. i.e. you are only allowed to have 15% of the retail space for restaurants or take-aways.
Effectively once this 15% is used up you cannot open another place.
House building is the same..............they use excuses like over-development etc.
Try and open even a fish & chip shop in Prestbury.
There is none there at the moment yet you wont get planning.
You will get some excuse or other, which amounts to the same thing.


Well of course regulation of whatever type can restrict entry into a market, but you still seem to be ignoring the difference between pure numerical controls and everything else.

Perhaps some regulators do uses numerical contols in some areas where they shouldn't, but this is probably not within their remit and would probably not survive a legal challenge. But as we all know some LAs (for example) are a law unto themselves.


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Additionally,overcharging would become common, vehicle quality would deteriorate, driver quality would go down the tube and there would be many uninsured drivers about with bald tyres.
This is exactly what happened in Liverpool.
A lot of drivers became part time.......working in factories (which are no longer there) during the week and driving cabs on the week end.
After this drivers did not renew their badges or their MOTs and eventually abandoned their taxis on streets.


Reminds me of one from a few months ago which said:

Liverpool removed restrictions some time back and there was total chaos.
Drivers did not renew their badges, did not renew their plates (MOTs) and a lot drove without valid insurance.
Ripping off passengers was the norm.
It ended up that drivers worked only at weekends and had other jobs during the week.
The council had no control as they did not know who the drivers were and where they lived etc.
Vehicles were abandoned.
End result ?
Council restricted numbers again
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What a load of rubbish!! So Liverpool City Council had unisured vehicles running around and did not even know their names and addresses?

If so then they must be the most useless licensing department in the land, but then this was when Liverpool City Council was regarded as a bit of a joke, so perhaps we shouldn't be surprised.

But since numbers are just the same today as then, then presumably Liverpool is still has plenty of uninsured cabs and doesn't know who the drivers are or where they live!!!!

And Liverpool City Council still want MORE drivers!!!

Let's face it, there are still plenty of sheds in Liverpool, because quality nothing to do with restricting numbers, and I'll bet there are still plenty part-timers but that'll be OK if they are lining the pockets of current plate holders or if they are one of the plate holders.

That stuff is just about as bad as Joanne Connolly's claim that with de-restriction the trade would be full of sex offenders and suchlike :^o

But doesn't she control a fleet with plates worth £1 million?

Probably doesn't drive either.


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That stuff is just about as bad as Joanne Connolly's claim that with de-restriction the trade would be full of sex offenders and suchlike

But doesn't she control a fleet with plates worth £1 million?[


hehe, not if we get our way

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Although that person might control a million pounds worth of plates it's worth noting that they cost her nothing.

As opposed to the poor sods who have no other choice bat to pay her £350 a week to work. :sad:

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I dont know where cheshire is coming from on this one at all.

But if a brand spanking new, top of the range TX2, with the works on will cost around £35k and I want to buy one, why the hell should i pay £40k for a plate to put on the back of the bloody thing?

And before the argument starts about if I spend £40k on the plate but I am guaranteed a living, does he not realise that the £40k is more of a risk that the £35k taxi?

Anyone spending £35k on a new business and new plate will already be aware of what they can earn (unless they are complete idiots).

The other point is that there are people in Liverpool who are living off the backs of drivers paying extortionate rentals for sheds, what makes it worse is that these people have never driven cabs for a living!

Every taxi and PH driver in the country is the same at the start of the shift, all meters totals are zero, we have to earn our bread, it isnt handed to us on a plate. (hehe no pun)

As a hackney man myself, these people better start stepping away from plate values, because most people are begining to see right through the argument.

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Thank you for your responses............

I will try and answer all your concerns.....


TDO wrote........So, the implication is that London has a better fleet than Manchester, Funny that London is unrestricted.
Well, yes and no.
London is unrestricted in the issue of plates but restricts Badges by having a very tough knowledge, so, its the same thing.
Besides London is unique with the no of wealthy people there needing Cabs hardly compares with the poor people (relatively speaking) we deal with.
Ken Livingstone is trying to open up the ''knowledge'' due to the advent of GPS but not getting very far at the moment.


TDO wrote........1% of economy is restricted..........
Sorry, but its not !% but more like 80%.
Look at : Off licences, take aways, pubs, clubs, restaurants, even house building which needs planning permission...........
Theres not much you can do without restriction.

Susses wrote :.......
Do Manchester insist on brand new cabs ?
No, they dont but still the fleet is pretty new.
''As soon as drinking hourss are changed next year there will be taxis for all almost on demand''
''Your evidence for this'' ?
My evidence for this is two fold
1) In 1996 Manchester staged the Euro 96 and
2) In 2002 Manchester had the commonwealth games.
Licensing for pubs/clubs were relaxed during both these events and people were coming out at all hours at their leisure and there enough taxis to meet the demand.
I might add that during Euro 96 Manchester had less than 600 cabs compared with 850+ now.

Sussex wrote :
Please tell me how many of the free plates have been returned to the council(Liverpool).
The answer is ..........about 50%.
The figures are as follows:
Pre de limitation 700 cabs.
After de limitation 3,000 cabs
Today 1500 cabs.
Bolton de limited and the net result was that 1 guy actually returned the plate he had as there was no work before the de limitation.
Result ; council restricted again.

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Last night between 5 and 8 Manchester could not produce a single cab at the worlds 3rd biggest Airport & cheshirecat thinks they are good.
Well,
First of all Manchester is the third biggest Airport in the Uk NOT the world !
Secondly, I know someone who works at the Airport and says this is rubbish.
Yes, there were two accidents on the M56 which resulted in delays in getting to the Airport with the christmas shoppers adding to the congestion.
However, the Airport was supplied as best as possible and no-one waited for three hours.



Cheshire beast

there were no Manchester taxis at the airport for 3 hours, unlike your mate I was there!

taxis and private hires comming in, dropping off and picking up it was chaos and a lot of angry people.

my pick up was waiting and we were off they felt like royalty

the airport could have done with the town chit.

now cheshire beast tell me have you a friend at all? or are you dreaming that he works at the airport?


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my pick up was waiting and we were off they felt like royalty


Was that not because you still drive a horse and cart.


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Yes, there were two accidents on the M56 which resulted in delays in getting to the Airport with the christmas shoppers adding to the congestion.
However, the Airport was supplied as best as possible and no-one waited for three hours.

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Cheshire beast

there were no Manchester taxis at the airport for 3 hours, unlike your mate I was there!

taxis and private hires comming in, dropping off and picking up it was chaos and a lot of angry people.

my pick up was waiting and we were off they felt like royalty

the airport could have done with the town chit.

now cheshire beast tell me have you a friend at all? or are you dreaming that he works at the airport?



Yes,I have lots of friends working the Airport.

Maybe you can suggest a solution for traffic congestion in case of accident ? You would be the next minister for transport !

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but you say ''my pick up was waiting and we were off they felt like royalty''


So, can you tell me how you know people were waiting for three hours when you state that you were away in minutes ?

I presume that you know the difference between hours and minutes ?


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 1:56 am 
there were waits longer than 3 hours, at the airport that is a fact

the transport minister bit, you are not far off!

and what can be done? oh dearie me you cannot be that numb/


I was in fact late comming, and people crowding round told me of long waits

I would like to know how you can say no one waited over 3 hours? ah your friends said so!

they are wrong I stand by my statement


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I was in fact late comming, and people crowding round told me of long waits

More evidence of why the PH sector has thrived. :wink:

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no Sussex, sorry on this occasion many private hire didnt arive at all, causing massive problems.


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no Sussex, sorry on this occasion many private hire didnt arive at all, causing massive problems.



Dont know what the problem is if P/H dont turn up ?

The H/C get a lot of work because the P/H didnt turn up cause they quoted stupidly cheap price and having been paid ''up front'' now doesn't want to pick up the poor passengers.

So, don't worry the H/Cs at the Airport will happily take them home.


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Yorkie wrote:
no Sussex, sorry on this occasion many private hire didnt arive at all, causing massive problems.



So, this is where you are ''confused''.

You mean the Private Hire were leaving people stranded ?

No surprise there is there ?

They must be busy elsewhere pirating or getting better fares !

So, it wasn't a shortage of TAXIS at all, was it ?


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