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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 6:02 pm 
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Got to agree with that. I hate the Tories with a passion, they are all for themselves and their rich sponsors.

The Tories will never be forgiven for what they did in 1993 when they decimated the coal industry.


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well you lot if you all hate the main parties so much how about forming your own

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main policy to get as many cabbies into parliament as possible to sort the country out because we cabbies know the answer to everything !


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The coal industry decimated itself. The unions were doing their level best to decimate the whole country in 1979. We ended up going cap in hand to get the IMF to bail us out due to labour mismanagement.

A change of government got the country back to work, the economy moving again by managers being allowed to manage.

Labour took over a strong economy in 1997 and spent the next 13 years ruining it. The conservatives have to start sorting it all out all over again now.


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I'm voting Conservative.

I don't want my street signs being written in Urdu in the future.

If Labour hadn't let in half of the Indian Sub Continent and Turkey, the unemployment figures would have been half of what they stand at today.

And as for trade unions . . :lol:


Well the truth is they are here to stay whether we like it or not so get used to the idea of having a more "diverse" society..... :lol:


More like an"Adverse" Society........We have Let in Millions from Impoverished and Screwed up countrys and instead of bringing the majority of these people up to the comfort level that they came here to find , they instead sadly found it easier to bring our level of poverty down to that of their own....

If thats the result of New Labours open door policy then I hope every new labour candidate gets struck down with a crushing dose of Conservativitis.. :roll:


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You've got to spend to get results, the Tories didn't want to spend, "only on their own people".

If the Tories get in you can wave goodbye to the Health Service, we'll go back to the dark days of the 80's and 90's when we had to wait 8 months to see a doctor at the local hospital. We'll go back to the days of ward closures, Nurses wages slipping behind those of their European counterparts.

Labour bought in the National Minimum Wage. The Tories were against this because many of the Tory supporters employed people on £1.50 - £2.00 an hour. The Minimum Wage gave people a livable wage each week. The Tories said it would cripple the country and it would cost jobs. Has it cost jobs??

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Labour Immigration Policy

Fair rules for the immigration system

Fair rules for the immigration system
Global migration takes place on a scale unthinkable even twenty years ago and we must respond accordingly to keep pace with these new circumstances. Controlled migration brings undoubted benefits to our country but we also recognise people’s legitimate concerns about the impact it can have on communities if not properly managed.

Net inward migration to Britain as measured by the Office for National Statistics has fallen for the last three years. We are delivering the biggest changes to our immigration, citizenship and border security systems for decades – we are bringing in a new Australian-style points-based immigration system which allows us to be more selective so that only those with the skills that we need to build a stronger economy can come here, and to ensure that as growth returns, we will see rising levels of employment, skills and wages not more immigration.

We have brought in 100 per cent biometric visas, are rolling out ID cards for foreign nationals, and electronic border controls will count people in and out of the country by the end of 2010. To build on this we will introduce a points-based system for permanent residence and citizenship clearly spelling out the rights and obligations of legal migrants to Britain, as well as the requirements for earning British citizenship. These requirements will include learning English, paying tax and obeying the law – because we believe those who look to build a new life here should earn the right to do so. Our Earned Citizenship plans for newcomers, together with the points-based immigration system will reduce overall numbers of economic migrants coming to Britain and the numbers awarded permanent settlement.

Controlled Migration
The long term benefit to the UK economy from migration is significant and will be vital to ensuring the UK’s long-term economic recovery. HM Treasury estimates that new migrants contributed £6 billion to Britain’s economy in 2006 – paying far more tax than they took in benefits. The Australian-style points-based system will allow us to be more selective so that only those with the skills that we need to build a stronger economy can come here.

The points-based system replaces the 80 or so immigration routes which developed over the decades with 5 clear routes. Tier 1 allows the highest skilled individuals who will contribute to growth and productivity. Tier 2 allows individuals transferring to Britain within multinational companies, and skilled workers who have a job offer to fill a gap in the labour force, but only after that job has been advertised widely in the UK, including in Jobcentre Plus for four weeks. Tier 3 – covering unskilled workers – is closed. Tier 4 is the student route, where we have recently tightened the rules and expect numbers to fall next year. Tier 5 includes specialist categories. Over the period we have introduced the points-based system, net inward migration has been falling from 237,000 in 2007 to 163,000 in 2008 and provisional figures of 147,000 in 2009. And we should remember that most migrants come to the UK for short periods of time and then return to their own country: of those who arrived in 1998, only a quarter are still here.

We will use the points-based system and electronic border controls to maintain downward pressure on the key economic routes except the highly skilled, people transferring to Britain within global companies, and university students, to ensure that as growth returns, we see rising levels of employment and wages not rising immigration. But we will do this through a flexible system not an arbitrary pre-determined quota that would damage British business and growth – and that would not apply to most of those who wish to come here – including EU citizens, family members, and students.

Attracting highly skilled migrants with scarce or specialist skills is essential to our continued success and influence in the new global economy. But that does not mean there aren’t risks or costs to immigration or that we shouldn’t acknowledge them and do our best to minimise them. The impacts of migration are felt differently by different communities and migration can place short term pressures on local public services including councils, schools, NHS and the police. So as well as controlling immigration we will lead the way in helping communities manage migration. We have introduced measures to help communities manage migration at a local level including the Migration Impacts Fund which is paid for by an extra levy on new migrants as they enter our country, and over the last two years has contributed £70 million to services in local areas to help lessen the short-term impacts on local communities new migration can have.We have reformed housing allocation policy, empowering local authorities to give greater priority to local people, and to those who have spent a long time on the waiting list.

It is not true that the downturn fell harder on British-born workers than on foreign born workers – in the last 12 months, employment among British born workers fell by 1.7 per cent; employment among foreign born workers fell by 1.9 per cent. And under the Points Based System jobs are now advertised with Jobcentre Plus for 4 weeks before employers can look to recruit from abroad to ensure resident workers get the first chance. And to ensure fairness employers must now advertise skilled jobs to resident workers through JobCentre Plus for four weeks before they can bring in a worker from outside Europe.

Migration within the EU is a two-way street. There are around 1m EU citizens working in Britain, and about the same number of British people living in the EU – with the same rights to work and benefits as EU citizens have here. Like most immigrants, those from the EU often don’t stay – more than 100,000 eastern Europeans went home last year. Thanks to tougher rules we brought in, the proportion of recent migrants who are claiming benefits is also falling: less than 3 per cent of migrants claimed benefits in the first 6 months in 2007-08 compared to from 12.5 per cent in 2002-03.

Strengthening our borders
We are taking extensive action to strengthen our borders. We have more than doubled the number of immigration officers at the border, set up a new single border force with new powers to guard our ports and airports, 100 per cent of visas are now biometric, enabling us to crack down on immigration offenders, and we are rolling out ID cards for foreign nationals, with 170,000 already issued. We are bringing in electronic border controls to count people in and out of the country – over 95 per cent by the end of 2010 – and enforcement of Britain’s border controls now starts overseas with British border staff based on the continent stopping suspect travellers before they travel, and fingerprint checks before visas are issued. The new Australian-style points based system will enable us to be more selective about who we let in and will ensure that we only have the migrants with the skills we need to secure our economic future and compete in the global economy – and to ensure that as growth returns, we will see rising levels of employment, skills and wages not more immigration.

The reputation of the UK’s further and higher education sectors is world class. The UK will therefore remain one of the most desirable destinations in the world for students and we remain open to those who want to undertake legitimate studies here. But we will come down hard on those that flout the rules. Earlier this year we toughened the requirements for prospective students coming to the UK, introducing pre-entry English language criteria, dramatically reducing the hours that overseas students are able to work and curbed their ability to bring dependants to the UK. We have already taken a tougher approach to closing down bogus colleges so that the student visa route is less open to exploitation by those who have come here to work, not study.

In an age when we are regularly required to prove our identity, we remain convinced of the benefits of the National Identity scheme, particularly for the most vulnerable in society. We have looked again at how to give security to Britain’s citizens without undermining their liberties. Membership of the ID system will be offered to an increasing number of British citizens, including when they renew their passports, but there will be no compulsory ID cards for British citizens. The ID scheme will help protect individuals and communities from the growing threat of identity theft and fraud, as well as illegal working, people trafficking, money laundering, benefit fraud and terrorist activity. Criminals and terrorists are known to use multiple identities to avoid detection. The ID scheme will make it much harder to use false or multiple identities by securely linking a person's unique identity to a national identity register using biometrics – facial recognition and fingerprints.

Labour will take further action to shut down the causes of illegal immigration. using our new Border Agency – with 5,000 more immigration staff than in 1997, 25,000 in total – new local immigration teams rolling out across the country, the new ID scheme and our new electronic border controls which by counting people in and out will help to identify overstayers as well as illegals. We have removed more foreign national prisoners year on year for the last three years. We will also take tough action against rogue employers who knowingly hire illegal workers, often exploiting them and undercutting the minimum wage. Those found to have knowingly hired illegal workers could incur an unlimited fine and be sent to prison – 3,800 penalties have been imposed since tough new rules came in during 2008. With the new ID scheme, employers will know that everyone entitled to work will have either a passport or ID card – they will be able to demand to see one or other – so there will be no excuse for employers who hire illegal labour. Even a sophisticated forged ID card or passport based on fingerprints would not fool the system as it wouldn’t show up on the ID register. We will enforce strict penalties against immigrants or their employers if they break the rules. In order to lift the number of people we remove from Britain we will continue expanding our detention estate.

Earned citizenship
While Labour recognises the valuable contribution people who have come to the country have made and continue to make we believe that it is fair that those who look to build a new life here should earn the right to do so. Labour will set out a new agenda where the rights and responsibilities of becoming a British citizen have to be earned. Under the new system full access to benefits and social housing will be reserved for citizens and permanent residents – saving hundreds of millions per year for the taxpayer.

This Points-Based System will ensure that only those who share our values can earn the right to stay by clearly spelling out the rights and obligations of legal immigrants to Britain, as well as the requirements for earning British citizenship. These requirements will include learning English, paying tax and obeying the law.

Asylum
Britain has a long tradition of providing a safe haven to those in need. Labour is proud of this history and we will continue to provide a place of refuge for the oppressed and those legitimately seeking asylum and the security of our care. We believe that when it comes to asylum cases, faster decisions are often fairer decisions and we will continue to deliver a compassionate system, making and enforcing decisions quickly with the majority of asylum cases concluded within six months.

Asylum claims are at record lows – down 6 per cent to 24,250 last year, for the fifth year running Asylum claims are stable around 1990 levels. The costs of asylum support to the taxpayer have more than halved in last 6 years. The 'backlog' - caused by a system which in 1998 was taking an average of 2 years to make a decision - is now down to 1980s levels. Britain is no longer seen as a soft touch - the UK now ranks 13th out of 27 in per-head numbers of asylum seekers.

Labour ill continue in its steadfast determination to tackle the horrendous crime of human trafficking. By ratifying the Council of Europe Convention Against Trafficking - a Europe-wide agreement about setting minimum standards for protecting and supporting trafficking victims- we are strengthening the UK’s ability to catch the criminals that exploit victims of trafficking. Through the establishment of the UK Human Trafficking Centre we are committed to working to support these particularly vulnerable victims and we will continue to work both at home and with our European partners to end this horrific crime.

Our values
We understand people’s concerns about immigration and we know it needs to be tightly controlled – as our points based system is doing. Net migration has fallen. Office for National Statistics' figures show it fell by 30 per cent from 233,000 in 2007 to 163,000 in 2008. We believe it is important to debate immigration, including issues around jobs, access to benefits and services, and housing. But unlike other parties, we will never seek to play on people’s fears. We understand the immense contribution that those coming from overseas have made to our country – economically, socially, and culturally – and we believe that not only is Britain’s history one of a nation that has always been outward-looking and receptive to trade, ideas and the talents of others - our future must be too.



Labour’s record:
•In 2008, a person was removed or departed voluntarily on average every 8 minutes, including record numbers of foreign criminals.
•Asylum applications for the last three months of 2009 were the lowest since the early 1990’s. The fall in applications has been dramatic from over 80,000 asylum claims in 2000 to around 23,400 in 2007. The cost of asylum support to the taxpayer has halved in the last 6 years.
•We have introduced 100 per cent biometric visas and are rolling out compulsory ID cards for foreign nationals who come here to work or study - 170,000 have been issued so far.
•Ratified the Council of Europe Convention Against Trafficking, strengthening the UK’s ability to catch the criminals that exploit victims of trafficking and underlining our long-term commitment to tackle this horrific crime.
•Rogue employers now face civil penalties of up to £10,000 for each illegal worker they employ. Those found to have knowingly hired illegal workers can incur an unlimited fine and be sent to prison.

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No change there then :lol: :lol:

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The Conservative Risk – Families and Pensioners

The Conservatives would:

•Take tax credits away from families on middle and modest incomes
•Scrap Child Trust Funds for families earning just over £16,000
•Cut inheritance tax , giving £200,000 on average to 3,000 millionaires
•Refuse to guarantee frontline services like schools and the police
•Cut £200 million from Sure Start, which could put Children’s Centres at risk of cuts


The Tories talk a lot about the importance of family but their policies do not back this up. The Tories would have left families to sink or swim in this recession, like they did in the 1980s and 1990s. They voted against the measures that the Labour Government introduced to help families and pensioners through the economic downturn, opposing extra financial support to top up their incomes. Now, they are proposing cuts to tax credits, Child Trust Funds and Sure Start which would hit families on middle and modest incomes hard.



Tory risk to families


Tory threat to tax credits

The Tories’ tax plans would hurt families on middle and modest incomes. They have pledged to save £400 million by cutting tax credits, but could only save this amount by scrapping tax credits for families on a combined income of just £31,000.

The Tories would also scrap Child Trust Funds for families earning just over £16,000; the Child Trust Fund is a savings account for children, aimed at ensuring that children have some money behind them to start their adult life.



For the few, not the many

While stripping all this support away from hard-working families, the Tories have shown where their real priorities lie by commiting to an inheritance tax cut which would give £200,000 on average to 3,000 millionaires.



Tory threat to Sure Start

The Tories would take Sure Start backwards, by cutting its funding and taking it back to its “original purpose” of helping only the very poorest. They would cut £200 million each year from Sure Start - a fifth of its budget - promising to use this money to fund 4,200 new health visitors. In fact, the health visitor policy would cost more than twice as much as they said it would, meaning that they would need to make even bigger cuts in services for families to deliver it. When surveyed, over half of Conservative Party members said in a poll that they wanted to see Sure Start abolished completely.



Tory threat to housing

The Tories’ plans would make it more difficult for families to buy their first home by restricting new housebuilding. The Tories have pledged to “tear up house-building targets for councils” (David Cameron, Yorkshire Post, 5 January 2009), scrapping Labour’s ambitious national and regional housing plans. Instead, they would create a new planning system which doesn’t require local authorities to build any new houses at all, making it easier to block new homes. Shadow Communities Secretary Caroline Spelman even wrote to Conservative Councillors telling them not to allow new housebuilding projects to go ahead until after a General Election – if the Tories win, they would urgently scrap all new housebuilding requirements.



Tory opposition to family-friendly working

Despite their family-friendly rhetoric, the Tories opposed more flexible working. David Cameron voted against longer paid maternity leave, paternity leave and flexible working [Hansard, Employment Bill, 27 November 2001, Division No 88; 12 February 2002, Division No 167]. In an interview in the Sunday Times, David Cameron said: “The suggestion for the massive extension of paternity leave owes a bit more to political correctness than the realities of life. It could be very disruptive, particularly to small business.”



Tory risk to pensioners


No extra help
Pensioners would also have been worse off under the Tories, as they opposed the extra help that Labour provided during the recession. Pensioners would not have received the 2009 £60 bonus and the trebling of cold weather payments for the most vulnerable pensioners. Following the coldest start to winter in 30 years, in November 2008, the Labour Government made a special one-off payment of £60 to 15 million vulnerable people to help them through the winter and ease worries about bills. The Tories also opposed Labour legislation to stop discrimination against older people.



Tory threat to services
Services for older people would also be hit hard under the Tories. Labour is introducing a new right to free health checks for heart disease, stroke, diabetes and kidney disease for 40-74 year olds, which will help to prevent serious illnesses and save lives – but the Tories are threatening to scrap these.

Labour has made it easier to see a doctor at a convenient time, with most GPs now offering extended opening hours at evenings and weekends - but the Tories have promised to reverse this and allow GPs to go back to setting shorter opening hours.



Caring for older and disabled people
Everyone knows that we need to reform the way we care for older and disabled people, but the Conservatives have been more interested in scaremongering than in engaging constructively with Labour’s proposals for a National Care Service. The Conservatives’ plan to make 65 year olds pay an upfront charge of £8,000, or £16,000 for a couple, to pay for residential care – but experts say that their sums don’t add up and that their plans could force elderly people into care homes. Tory plans would do nothing for the majority of older people who would prefer to stay in their homes.

Labour has provided extra investment for councils to offer free swimming to people aged over 60 or over, and the under 16s. While all Labour controlled councils in the country are now offering free swimming for the elderly, over 50 Conservative run councils have decided to opt out of the scheme, despite the clear health and social benefits.

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Was it Labour that got rid of the 10% tax rate for the poorest people or am I mistaken :?

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Was it Labour that got rid of the 10% tax rate for the poorest people or am I mistaken :?



Yup........it was indeed, Infact youve never been so heavily taxed as you are now under Nulab...there are so many stealth taxes that people just cant see it.


A more underhanded bunch of cretins you'd be hard pushed to meet....especially the all powerful and unelected mandelson.....yuchhhhhhh..pass the barf bucket :?


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Somebody in one of the other posts.... suggested a Hung government .... what a extremely pleasing thought that is... :roll: [-o<

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