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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 10:11 pm 
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What about those who just want to rent?

There will never be a shortage of cars for rent.


Who from on a full time rental basis?

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Who from on a full time rental basis?

In my area there is an untold amount of rental deals.

Taxi/PH

Fixed fee/split bag

24-7/half day shifts

with radio/without

Full week/week end

I can't see that changing if the council delimited, other than the rental rates would, IMO, decrease.

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It is difficult as some are not in a position to buy a vehicle and/or are unable to get finance, the point I was trying to make in 1 driver 1 plate was to do away with some people owning numerous plates ! some own as many as 6, maybe more plates ! with 2 drivers on each vehicle every day of the week ! The problem has risen from the greed of some plate barons that want the renter to buy and maintain the vehicle at his/her own expense as well as pay £200 to rent the plate. Fine if the plates on the owners car and they pay for the upkeep of it, but some are'nt, and its because of their greed that they now stand to lose the plate. Some got the plates for nothing some have paid good money for them, but most have had that money back plus plenty more. Not all plate owners are the same, some are very good, honest and obliging people, it is the minority that have exploited the loophole of the 'bill of sale' to satisfy their own greed. these are hard times and some rentals have just had enough and feel that they themselves are being exploited. Those plate owners want their rent come rain or shine, sickness and health, 52 weeks a year, even if you just had to pay for a new clutch or gear box and have been unable to work, their hand is still held out for the rent !! Familly holidays are an extra £200 a week cos you still have rent to pay, if thats not greed then i dont know what is !!! But like I say, they're not all the same !!!


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Sussex wrote:
captain cab wrote:
Who from on a full time rental basis?

In my area there is an untold amount of rental deals.

Taxi/PH

Fixed fee/split bag

24-7/half day shifts

with radio/without

Full week/week end

I can't see that changing if the council delimited, other than the rental rates would, IMO, decrease.


Yes I know that its the same here, but the way the poster is talking it is one man, one plate, all owner driven vehicles.

If thats the case who can I rent a HC off on a full time basis because I either cant get my own insurance or I cant get finance?

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these are hard times and some rentals have just had enough and feel that they themselves are being exploited. Those plate owners want their rent come rain or shine, sickness and health, 52 weeks a year, even if you just had to pay for a new clutch or gear box and have been unable to work, their hand is still held out for the rent


They sound just like PH operators to me :-|

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these are hard times and some rentals have just had enough and feel that they themselves are being exploited. Those plate owners want their rent come rain or shine, sickness and health, 52 weeks a year, even if you just had to pay for a new clutch or gear box and have been unable to work, their hand is still held out for the rent


They sound just like PH operators to me :-|


they sound like the tax office, the bank, the garage, the finance company, the insurance company........so why should they be any different?

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PH operators provide you with regular work, plate barons dont !


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captain cab wrote:
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these are hard times and some rentals have just had enough and feel that they themselves are being exploited. Those plate owners want their rent come rain or shine, sickness and health, 52 weeks a year, even if you just had to pay for a new clutch or gear box and have been unable to work, their hand is still held out for the rent


They sound just like PH operators to me :-|


they sound like the tax office, the bank, the garage, the finance company, the insurance company........so why should they be any different?

CC


Quite right. They are all in the job to make money and nobody but charity companies are running a charity. I have to say tho I love my bank :shock: :wink:

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It is difficult as some are not in a position to buy a vehicle and/or are unable to get finance, the point I was trying to make in 1 driver 1 plate was to do away with some people owning numerous plates ! some own as many as 6, maybe more plates ! with 2 drivers on each vehicle every day of the week ! The problem has risen from the greed of some plate barons that want the renter to buy and maintain the vehicle at his/her own expense as well as pay £200 to rent the plate. Fine if the plates on the owners car and they pay for the upkeep of it, but some are'nt, and its because of their greed that they now stand to lose the plate. Some got the plates for nothing some have paid good money for them, but most have had that money back plus plenty more. Not all plate owners are the same, some are very good, honest and obliging people, it is the minority that have exploited the loophole of the 'bill of sale' to satisfy their own greed. these are hard times and some rentals have just had enough and feel that they themselves are being exploited. Those plate owners want their rent come rain or shine, sickness and health, 52 weeks a year, even if you just had to pay for a new clutch or gear box and have been unable to work, their hand is still held out for the rent !! Familly holidays are an extra £200 a week cos you still have rent to pay, if thats not greed then i dont know what is !!! But like I say, they're not all the same !!!

As theis poster says, some cannot get finance to buy a vehicle, well if they were issued with a plate what would they put it on? he is partly right in the term plate barons, I think the most owned by any one person is 5 and not 6, however no one is keen to take this guy on , as usual it is easier to pick a soft target, the case being heard this afternoon is against a plate owner and his wife who are in their 60's and have been very kind to their renter of 7 years, not taking rent when he was ill and offering assistance towards the buying of a newer car when the council brought in age limits, however he wanted a brand new one. As usual because the big boys, due to physical sizeand choice of friends continue in their baronial presence, the poor pensioners look like being shafted once and for all, however way it turns out, it will end in tears for someone.


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Doesn't the charity analogy run both ways?

And if this were some other council property we were discussing, like say a flat, would people still think its acceptable that the 'poor old pensioners' (who were given the flat but don't use it anymore because they live in a mansion) make money from it by renting it out? Would we still be 'appalled and disgusted' if the person renting that flat found out they had rights (purely by way of occupying the property and the fact they paid the bills and maintained the flat), and pursued those rights?

I also don't understand how we can give weight to the argument that the people who 'own' the licences are being deprived of their pensions or living. If they needed the money so badly, surely they would have financed their own cars, plated them up and paid a driver? That way, their 'investment' is secure - and they make the living that they claim to need.


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happy cabs wrote:
Ears1096 wrote:
http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/1536130.Cabbies____mixed_views_on_deregulation_moves/

Found this article in which one of rebels says he wants to de-regulate!!


I knew him when this article was written, he objected to paying money every week for radio rent, and wanted a plate for nothing with De Regulation now it seems he is going to get one for nothing by methods of stealth, he has been the same all his life, wants everything free.


Do you really know me, I do not think so! you are just trying to wind people up,
I have already answered about the de-reg quote and paid radio rent for many years before changing to hack, so no problem with radio rent.
"All my life" ( did not see you in Aden in the 50s, Austrailia in the 60s as a £10 pomme or in Germany/ N Ireland in the 80s)
By the way get your facts right I am not getting any plate.
I think you know the truth but you seem bitter about something, maybe you just need a lie down and rest.

Maybe it would be right to de-regulate then there will be no arguments except where to rank

I do accept you know who I am as when people lose the argument they start naming people rather than carrying on using their TDO username,
I don't really accept that you think you have known me all my life partly as it has not finished yet and partly because you get so many facts wrong,
If you disagree name yourself and argue your point :lol:


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Yeah ! Alan ! oops ! I mean Roly ! Name yerself ! Today is Judgement Day ! And it would appear Justice has Prevailed !
Oh and regarding plate Barons, physical size, and who they know ! Iwas always told to ignore the bullies and keep one eye on the quiet ones ! Wise advice I think and should be heeded !


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onerebeloffour wrote:
Yeah ! Alan ! oops ! I mean Roly ! Name yerself ! Today is Judgement Day ! And it would appear Justice has Prevailed !
Oh and regarding plate Barons, physical size, and who they know ! Iwas always told to ignore the bullies and keep one eye on the quiet ones ! Wise advice I think and should be heeded !


So you know the out come then?

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Yep ! Plate to be transferred to driver and owner of vehicle ! present/previous plate owner has 21 days in which to appeal ! Pointless unless he can prove beyond doubt that HE actually owns the vehicle. Licensing committee recommended that the council use this case as a steering course in dealing with any other or future claims of a similiar nature !


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onerebeloffour wrote:
Yeah ! Alan ! oops ! I mean Roly ! Name yerself ! Today is Judgement Day ! And it would appear Justice has Prevailed !
Oh and regarding plate Barons, physical size, and who they know ! Iwas always told to ignore the bullies and keep one eye on the quiet ones ! Wise advice I think and should be heeded !


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