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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:36 pm 
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The PH Licensed car should be used under an operators License. My point is as long as this is in place why do you need the third party referral company to have to have one too.


But you didn't specifically point out the need for an operator's licence at some point in the food chain, instead you said:

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It will not matter if he gets an ops license, he would still be giving jobs to PH drivers direct who have no ops license. Completely illegal.


What would be illegal about that?

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There is no need for ops License because he is not operating any vehicles.


He would be if he was passing work directly to drivers who didn't have an operator's licence.

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Caledonian Cabbie wrote:
Smoked Glass wrote:
The PH Licensed car should be used under an operators License. My point is as long as this is in place why do you need the third party referral company to have to have one too.


But you didn't specifically point out the need for an operator's licence at some point in the food chain, instead you said:

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It will not matter if he gets an ops license, he would still be giving jobs to PH drivers direct who have no ops license. Completely illegal.


What would be illegal about that?

You also said:

Smoked Glass wrote:
There is no need for ops License because he is not operating any vehicles.


He would be if he was passing work directly to drivers who didn't have an operator's licence.
Point 1: I did on the bottom of my first post on page1

Point 2: It would be illegal if he had an ops license in Birmingham then gave a job to a Wreham PH with no ops license.

Point 3: But he wont be if he had any sense, I refer you again to my first post, page1


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Smoked Glass wrote:
I did on the bottom of my first post on page1


Perhaps that was what you meant, but you didn't quite say it. What you said was:

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A word of warning though, I would make sure that you had HC drivers or PH companies to do your work and not PH drivers direct as they would be invalidating their insurance & you may be held responsible.


The word 'company is a specific legal framework for conducting a business and doesn't really mean anything as far as the present discussion is concerned.

You could have a company owning PH vehicles which isn't an operator, while you could have a non-company (a sole trader or partnership) acting as a PH operator which may or may not also own dozens of PH vehicles.

Thus if it's a question about licensing then the word company is a bit misleading - presumably what you really meant was 'operator'?


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Point 2: It would be illegal if he had an ops license in Birmingham then gave a job to a Wreham PH with no ops license.


Indeed, and that's another aspect of the legality which was discussed earlier, but your more general point was incorrect.

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Point 3: But he wont be if he had any sense, I refer you again to my first post, page1


Well he won't if given proper advice. But then again he might :wink:

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wannabeeahack wrote:
is it any different to skyscanner and the actual airlines it quotes off?

skyscanner would need to be ABTA bonded if cabquoter needed an ops licence

course they dont need an ops licence

But are they, or are they not, making provisions for the acceptance of bookings?

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is it any different to skyscanner and the actual airlines it quotes off?

skyscanner would need to be ABTA bonded if cabquoter needed an ops licence

course they dont need an ops licence

But are they, or are they not, making provisions for the acceptance of bookings?
The accepting of the booking would not be complete until the PH Company/taxi driver accepted the job/contract. The whole thing would then be complete.
I suspect it could be possible to ask taxi router to book a taxi and there may be a scenario were there would be no vehicle to complete the contract if all the vehicles on the system were either busy or on holiday.


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wannabeeahack wrote:
is it any different to skyscanner and the actual airlines it quotes off?

skyscanner would need to be ABTA bonded if cabquoter needed an ops licence

course they dont need an ops licence

But are they, or are they not, making provisions for the acceptance of bookings?


I think it's a toughy, but, to make provision is to supply and they don't supply anything. They enable a supplier to provide :-|

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I don't think you have to supply anything to "make provisions"

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I don't think you have to supply anything to "make provisions"


How's that work? How do you make provision for something you don't have?

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wannabeeahack wrote:
is it any different to skyscanner and the actual airlines it quotes off?

skyscanner would need to be ABTA bonded if cabquoter needed an ops licence

course they dont need an ops licence

But are they, or are they not, making provisions for the acceptance of bookings?


no

they give a estimate of cost and a list of suppliers nearest the punter (or send the details to all members), THEY (the website) dont take bookings


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does this one need an ops licence?

http://www.findataxi.info/


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I don't think you have to supply anything to "make provisions"


How's that work? How do you make provision for something you don't have?
Very much agree Toots!


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I don't think you have to supply anything to "make provisions"


How's that work? How do you make provision for something you don't have?


You make provision for something someone else has.

Like this:
http://www.gocompare.com/ or

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wannabeeahack wrote:
does this one need an ops licence?

http://www.findataxi.info/
No its just a directory like the yellow pages.


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gusmac wrote:
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gusmac wrote:
I don't think you have to supply anything to "make provisions"


How's that work? How do you make provision for something you don't have?


You make provision for something someone else has.

Like this:
http://www.gocompare.com/ or
http://www.moneysupermarket.com


You can't make provision for something somebody else has. They make the provision cos they do the providing. The websites just enable the provision to be made. I also think that the examples you have given are licensed anyway.

There is no provision in law to license these 'enablers' for taxis/ph. Perhaps that is what's needed. Incidently I don't agree with this practice not being licensed, but, currently that is the situation and I think it should be changed :-|

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toots wrote:
They make the provision cos they do the providing.


Are making provisions and providing/supplying the same thing?
It all comes down to the definition.

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provision (prəˈvɪʒən) [Click for IPA pronunciation guide]

— n
1. the act of supplying or providing food, etc
2. something that is supplied or provided
3. preparations made beforehand (esp in the phrase make provision for )
4. ( plural ) food and other necessities, esp for an expedition
5. ( plural ) food obtained for a household
6. a demand, condition, or stipulation formally incorporated in a document; proviso
7. the conferring of and induction into ecclesiastical offices

— vb
8. ( tr ) to supply with provisions

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