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PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 11:55 pm 
Nice to see all the "heavyweights" out banding together to perpetuate their misleading lies.

Go and get your phonebook ........... phone ANY company listed within the Taxis section ............. ask for a taxi .............. but don't be surprised when a PH vehicle turns up.

When the PH car picks you up notice how he can drive within the bus lanes simply marked with the bus symbol, cycle symbol and the word taxi ......... and do so quite legally.

Surely I'm not the only member to have this opinion ............. maybe I'm the only member who isn't intimidated by the "heavyweights" when it comes to writing what I think.

Charlie the taxi driver.


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Charlie the Paperlad wrote:
The simple facxt of the matter is that we are all percieved to be taxi drivers, even by the government, and PH operators who advertise themselves as a "taxi service" should be included in the dissection of government statements concerning lack of TAXI provision.



Well that's where you're going wrong Chas, no wonder you're confused.

When the Govt refer to a taxi it's clear that they don't mean PH as well.

Have a look at this from the OFT's report, which clearly explains the use of the terminology:

Broadly, this means that taxis can pick up passengers from the
street or at a taxi rank and make a contract there and then to carry
a passenger, as well as taking passengers who have pre-booked,
whereas PHVs can only pick up passengers who have pre-arranged
a journey by making a booking, usually by telephone.


We use the term ‘licensed taxi’ to indicate a vehicle with these
distinguishing features, rather than the older expression ‘hackney
carriage’.


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Charlie the Paperlad wrote:
Nice to see all the "heavyweights" out banding together to perpetuate their misleading lies.

Go and get your phonebook ........... phone ANY company listed within the Taxis section ............. ask for a taxi .............. but don't be surprised when a PH vehicle turns up.

When the PH car picks you up notice how he can drive within the bus lanes simply marked with the bus symbol, cycle symbol and the word taxi ......... and do so quite legally.

Surely I'm not the only member to have this opinion ............. maybe I'm the only member who isn't intimidated by the "heavyweights" when it comes to writing what I think.

Charlie the taxi driver.


Well if you don't unerstand it by now you never will ](*,)


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:04 am 
TDO wrote:
Well if you don't unerstand it by now you never will


The point is that I do understand ................. and you don't like the fact that I highlight the shortcomings of your argument.

Shame that innit.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:09 am 
TDO wrote:
Charlie the Paperlad wrote:
The simple facxt of the matter is that we are all percieved to be taxi drivers, even by the government, and PH operators who advertise themselves as a "taxi service" should be included in the dissection of government statements concerning lack of TAXI provision.



Well that's where you're going wrong Chas, no wonder you're confused.

When the Govt refer to a taxi it's clear that they don't mean PH as well.

Have a look at this from the OFT's report, which clearly explains the use of the terminology:

Broadly, this means that taxis can pick up passengers from the
street or at a taxi rank and make a contract there and then to carry
a passenger, as well as taking passengers who have pre-booked,
whereas PHVs can only pick up passengers who have pre-arranged
a journey by making a booking, usually by telephone.


We use the term ‘licensed taxi’ to indicate a vehicle with these
distinguishing features, rather than the older expression ‘hackney
carriage’.


Please understand ................... you keep explaining what a taxi is ............. I'm not a taxi.


Kind Regards

Charlie the taxi driver


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Look Chas, the root of your argument seemed to depend on the fact that the DfT use the term taxi to mean HC and PH.

Umpteen posts ago it was explained to you that you were wrong - it uses taxi to mean HC only

But umpteen posts later you still insist that it does mean HC and PH.

If you can offer any proof that it does then fair play.

But if not then you're just wasting everyone's time.

Have a read of the OFT report, the Govt's response, the Trans Comm report and any other DfT document and you'll probably get the message.

So, to be short and to the point, put up or shut up :D


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Charlie the Paperlad wrote:
[Please understand ................... you keep explaining what a taxi is ............. I'm not a taxi.




Fake tans, fake identities, fake arguments.

Get a life Mick!


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:13 am 
We had a similar argument with our council some time ago when we had to make a statutory declaration for our vehicle licence renewal or grant.

You will no doubt fail to see the significance.

Kind Regards

Charlie the Taxi Driver


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:22 am 
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Look Chas, the root of your argument seemed to depend on the fact that the DfT use the term taxi to mean HC and PH.

Umpteen posts ago it was explained to you that you were wrong - it uses taxi to mean HC only

But umpteen posts later you still insist that it does mean HC and PH.

If you can offer any proof that it does then fair play.

But if not then you're just wasting everyone's time.

Have a read of the OFT report, the Govt's response, the Trans Comm report and any other DfT document and you'll probably get the message.

So, to be short and to the point, put up or shut up :D


The same could be said about your opinion of councils that maintain restrictions TDO.

Whatever language the DfT use PUBLIC PERCEPTION is that both HC and PH offer taxi services.

The minister claimed that it would be unfair to stop any fit and proper person who meets the criteria from providing a taxi service, my point is that there is no restriction on providing the service although there are restrictions as to where people can offer these services from.

My name is Charlie ............ whats yours ................ cause I doubt very much that its TDO ............ whats good for the goose is good for the gander.


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Charlie the Paperlad wrote:
You see, by not answering questions and chosing instead to pose more you add to the confusion.

ALL of the points you raise bear no relation to what we are talking about either.
JD wrote:
Cardiff says this about Taxis and Private hire Vehicles.


this may surprise you ............... but I'm not a vehicle.

JD wrote:
There will be no light on its roof and customers should check for a yellow licence plate displayed on the rear of the vehicle.


I have no roof and would under no circumstances allow a Yellow plate to be displayed on my ar$e.

JD wrote:
No Private Hire Vehicle to be painted white with black bonnet and boot lid, or to be a London type taxi.


I've heard of spray tanning on here, but where exactly am I to be painted what colour and I have no intention to turn into a London type taxi.

JD wrote:
Now that's not me saying you can't advertise yourself as a Taxi, it's the licensing Authorities. I suspect if the truth were known your own Authority probably has the same understanding as to what constitutes a Taxi as the two examples I have given. Which Authority are you licensed in?


Oh I'm sure we were all aware of what constitutes a taxi, however in none of your response did you actually define what is a taxi driver. Nor did you define how a PH operator can advertise as a taxi service and then send a PH vehicle to carry the passengers. Surely if a customer phones for a taxi they should get a taxi, and if your definition is completely correct they are not recieving a specific service they are requesting.

Shouldn't such PH operators be investigated under the trade descriptions act, after all you seem to be suggesting that we are two completely different trades .................... I'm sure you'd be upset if you were to order a cooker from Curry's and they sent you a microwave instead then said "well they both cook things".

The simple facxt of the matter is that we are all percieved to be taxi drivers, even by the government, and PH operators who advertise themselves as a "taxi service" should be included in the dissection of government statements concerning lack of TAXI provision.

After all, if you don't your not really being fair.


lol Charlie, I think you should stop digging, your sliding deeper and deeper into the mire.

My definition of a Taxi driver is one who drives a Taxi lol. My definition of a private hire driver is one who drives a private hire vehicle. I was going to give you a definition of a mini cab driver but It conflicts with my definition of a private hire driver.

Charlie, I think we can all see your point about collectively being called Taxi drivers, that goes without saying. The fact of the matter is that you know as well as most of us know that Hackney carriage and private hire drivers are defined differently in law.

Therefore considering a Hackney Carriage is the only vehicle that is referred to in legal terms as being a Taxi, then is it not fair to say that a hackney carriage driver is a Taxi driver and a Private hire driver is not a taxi driver in the strict sense of the meaning of word Taxi lol

Best wishes

JD


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 1:23 am 
You see JD ........ this is to some extent where my argument turns full circle and remains constant.

I do understand that a HC is the only vehicle defined by law as being a taxi, and that only a driver of said vehicle can be properly defined as a taxi driver ............. my point was though (as you well know) that we are all perceived by the public as taxi drivers, and even in some cases perceive ourselves to be such.

Would a fair minded person then not conclude that when discussions are undertaken with referance to "taxi services" at least one person involved would rely on experiences of a PH operation, on the grounds that the business name contains the word TAXI's.

If that were to be the case then any resultant annoucement following such discussion would have to be considered to involve the PH operation refered to.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 1:25 am 
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Charlie the Paperlad wrote:
[Please understand ................... you keep explaining what a taxi is ............. I'm not a taxi.




Fake tans, fake identities, fake arguments.

Get a life Mick!


True to form Mr TDO .................. resorting to unfounded accusations is what you do best.


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Charlie the Paperlad wrote:
You see JD ........ this is to some extent where my argument turns full circle and remains constant.

I do understand that a HC is the only vehicle defined by law as being a taxi, and that only a driver of said vehicle can be properly defined as a taxi driver ............. my point was though (as you well know) that we are all perceived by the public as taxi drivers, and even in some cases perceive ourselves to be such.

Would a fair minded person then not conclude that when discussions are undertaken with referance to "taxi services" at least one person involved would rely on experiences of a PH operation, on the grounds that the business name contains the word TAXI's.

If that were to be the case then any resultant annoucement following such discussion would have to be considered to involve the PH operation refered to.


Well as I said I think we all know from where you a coming on this, but you are not meeting us halfway. You said you understand that in the legal definition the word Taxi, whether it is applied to driver or vehicle does not refer to a private hire vehicle or driver.

That is a major recognition on your part, which goes some way to conceding the point that others have articulated against you. The public perception in the main is that both private hire and Hackney carriages are Taxis, we all know that but the people in this forum who have taken a stand against your point are not articulating the point from a public point of view.

That is why you have one side articulating the proper legal definition and you yourself articulating the public perception. The two points can never be reconciled because one is a legitimate fact of life and the other is based on public ignorance.

Best wishes

JD


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Charlie the Paperlad wrote:
[The minister claimed that it would be unfair to stop any fit and proper person who meets the criteria from providing a taxi service....


Interesting interpretation of the minister's statement.

I read it as questioning the fairness of the scenario, not a definite claim that it is unfair.

But I won't disagree with your assessment :lol:


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Charlie the Paperlad wrote:
My name is Charlie ............ whats yours ................ cause I doubt very much that its TDO ............ whats good for the goose is good for the gander.


No problem with anonymity on here, but I do have a problem with people playing silly beggars.

Again you seem to have a consistent problem distinguishing these two concepts.

:-|


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