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Sussex wrote:
Anyway back to the thread.

How else do folks think the council should deal with minor licensing infringements?


Sack T Brzozowski', for being a clueless d ick head for a start


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Sussex wrote:
Anyway back to the thread.

How else do folks think the council should deal with minor licensing infringements?

1. If there is enough evidence, in front of the Licensing Committee for sanction.

2. Lack of evidence, no action.

Problem is with points systems, if you sign to accept them you are de facto pleading guilty. If they are "awarded" anyway, you have no way to refute them at the time.

Bottom line, I don't like the idea one bit.

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Sussex wrote:
Anyway back to the thread.

How else do folks think the council should deal with minor licensing infringements?

If the infringement is contrary to the bye-laws then they should take the action as laid down by law. And if that means prosecuting then prosecute.

But all these penalty points systems do is try to create conditions for HC drivers.

If it ain't in the bye-laws, then it can't be enforced.

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I still can't understand why they think the council will take notice of a "strike"

Driving in convoy to the the council offices when a meeting of the council is due or a 30 mph rolling roadblock on a local Motorway except there aren't any motorways in Rossendale will surely be less damaging to earnings and More effective in getting the attention of the councillors !


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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
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Must admit that I like this from Rossedale Council website...

Licence - hackney carriage (taxi)
Outline of service
A 'Hackney Carriage' is more commonly called a Taxi. It is the responsibility of the Council to regulate the number of Hackney Carriages it licences.

(my large font for emphasis)

Very enlightened I think.

I think the word regulate has gone to T Brzozowski's head!!

I can just picture him shouting, "Regulators" as in the US Prohibition Era film, the name of which just escapes me now.


Him is a SHE

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1. If there is enough evidence, in front of the Licensing Committee for sanction.

And what sanction does the committee have?

Revoke the license or suspend for a period.

Do you think those sanctions are appropriate for a one off small time infringement?

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If it ain't in the bye-laws, then it can't be enforced.

The bye-laws will say a driver has to be 'fit and proper', the definition of 'fit and proper' will be the penalty points system.

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Rossendale taxi drivers vote for strike action

CABBIES in Rossendale have voted to strike over council proposals to introduce a penalty points system.

More than 150 taxi drivers met on Monday night and voted in favour of going on strike within the next fortnight.

The cabbies are unhappy at Rossendale Council’s plans to bring in the scheme, which would see Hackney cab and mini-cab drivers hit with penalty points if they breack one of 34 rules.

Under the scheme, sounding a horn to announce arrival at an address would land the driver four points; parking on the kerb would see them hit with three points; and urinating or defecating in public would result in eight points.

If a driver accrues 20 points within a year, they could have to re-sit their test or have their licence revoked.

Monday night’s meeting was attended by Glen Bulcock, chairman of Rossendale’s Taxi Association, and David Lawrie, chairman of the Independent Taxi Drivers’ Association.

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would see Hackney cab and mini-cab drivers hit with penalty points if they breack one of 34 rules.


It looks like Rossendale Council forgot one

* Strike action = 20 points

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If it ain't in the bye-laws, then it can't be enforced.

The bye-laws will say a driver has to be 'fit and proper', the definition of 'fit and proper' will be the penalty points system.

Oh, I don't think so at all!!

A HC driver may ONLY be regulated with bye-laws.

Penalty points are a method of regulation.

Therefore, the penalty points must be in the bye-laws.

And they ain't.

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

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The cabbies are unhappy at Rossendale Council’s plans to bring in the scheme, which would see Hackney cab and mini-cab drivers hit with penalty points if they breack one of 34 rules.

I'm just wondering if this lot have stood for the five card trick again & have a combined 'Hire Vehicle Driver Licence'?

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
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If it ain't in the bye-laws, then it can't be enforced.

The bye-laws will say a driver has to be 'fit and proper', the definition of 'fit and proper' will be the penalty points system.

Oh, I don't think so at all!!

A HC driver may ONLY be regulated with bye-laws.

Penalty points are a method of regulation.

Therefore, the penalty points must be in the bye-laws.

And they ain't.

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

You might disagree, but that's the way things are happening.

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Bid to halt Rossendale cabbie strike fails

7:30pm Friday 15th October 2010

Residents face travel disruption after an 11th hour bid to call off a strike by Rossendale cabbies failed.

The action is being taken next week over over the introduction a controversial new penalty points system.

Under the scheme, Hackney cab and mini-cab drivers could be hit with penalty points if they commit one of 34 minor breaches.

Sounding a horn to announce arrival at an address would land the driver with four points; parking on the kerb would see them hit with three points; and urinating or defecating in public would result in eight points.

If a driver accrues 20 points within a year, they could have to re-sit their test or have their licence revoked.

Rossendale Council had offered to extend a consultation over the controversial scheme but cabbies are calling for it to be scrapped.

Glenn Bulcock, chair of Rossendale Taxi Association, said: “We were offered a longer period of consultation in the meeting but that is not good enough.

“We want the document withdrawn, it should never have gone to consultation without our input in the first place."

“Strike action will start next week. There will be night strikes, weekend strikes and morning strikes until the document is withdrawn.”

Stuart Sugarman, Rossendale Council’s director of business, said it would cause disruption to residents and businesses in the borough.

“Our goal is to ensure that the taxis operating in the borough meet high standards and provide a good service that local people can rely on and trust,” he said.

“This is why we are consulting on the possibility of introducing a penalty points scheme for drivers to help maintain high standards."

“To avert the threat of a strike we offered to extend the consultation deadline on the penalty points scheme and to hold further meetings with the driver’s representatives with the aim of achieving some common ground."

“Unfortunately, this offer was rejected out of hand and the drivers issued their ultimatum to hold a strike and cause disruption."

“We have made it clear to the drivers all long that this is only a consultation and it is already clear that some changes will be made to the proposals that are out for consultation."
“The council’s door remains open and I will meet with the drivers at short notice to discuss any proposals for finding common ground and avoid an unnecessary strike which will adversely affect residents and businesses in the borough.”

Source; http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/ne ... ike_fails/

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Stuart Sugarman, Rossendale Council’s director of business, said it would cause disruption to residents and businesses in the borough.

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“Our goal is to ensure that the taxis operating in the borough meet high standards and provide a good service that local people can rely on and trust,” he said.


He should ensure the taxi inspector does his job then, by kicking him or her out onto the street to check the vehicles, along with someone who knows what to look for.
If a vehicle is in disrepair like tyres near or on the limit, body work damage, blown bulbs smoky engine, red sticker it until its rectified
Do they have an age limit there????
How old can the vehicles be before 1st licence???


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