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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 2:24 pm 
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I've just had a chat with someone and they pointed out something that goes along with everything we hear about B&H. :sad:

When they calculate the fares, they need the average wage for the local area.

So do they use the lower average wage of B&H in their calculations? Or do they use the higher average wage for the South East region in their calculations? :shock:

No prises for this one methinks. [-(


whichever is the higher at that time?


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 3:44 pm 
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So yet again we are deemed for being in the wrong for pointing out that the T&G's view was bollocks.

You even seem to be agreeing with us!!

What a bizarre attitude.

It's easily rectified - tell the T&G to start telling the truth for a change :^o


What the [edited by admin] has the T&G "lied" about.

The council introduced a fare rise formula - ALL LOCAL REPRESENTATIVES AGREED WITH IT.

That is reality, if people have a problem with what a council does then they should take it up with that council and not place the blame at the door of a single representative body looking after the best interest of their membership, or are you suggesting that they shouldn't do that.

If you want to oppose their views properly then set up a National body to fight the T&G in every area they have a branch, and make your views public as they do.

You don't want to do that though do you, you want to hide on websites like this shouting and screaming that everyone is wrong, but you don't want to actually do anything about it.

B. Lucky :twisted:


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What the [edited by admin] has the T&G "lied" about.

The council introduced a fare rise formula - ALL LOCAL REPRESENTATIVES AGREED WITH IT.



At least you seem to have changed your tune from yesterday, when you said:

No annual negotiations actually take place, the formula is applied and the public notices are issued on specific dates allowing a rise to come into effect on a certain date every year

There's so much rubbish emanates from the T&G I don't really know what to make of it, but it's certainly either :^o or #-o - presumably your misinformation above was T&G sourced, for example?

We had pages of it in Myth and Reality - I'll tell you what, if you want to address that, then we'll know if it's #-o or :^o, but until then we'll have to assume that it's one or the other.

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What the [edited by admin] has the T&G "lied" about.



YOU said Brighton fares are EXPENSIVE

The T&G said Brighton fares are REASONABLE

I don't think anyone can reasonbly say that in an urban, saloon car area like Brighton fares are reasonable, and you seem to agree with this, so I think the T&G are being economical with the truth. Perhaps this doesn't quite amount to a lie, but you used the word, not me.

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Good point Nidge - I suspect we all agree that Brighton fares should be higher than Manchester, but perhaps not to the extent they seem to be.

Sure property prices are a lot higher, but things like fuel, vehicles, wages, and non-property costs of living aren't likely to be hugely higher.


But also the cost of living is higher it's not just the house prices.


So you read my first paragraph Nidge, but didn't make it to the second? :?

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This table you posted has Brighton the ninth highest, if the extra pound was added on, would it not make them the highest in the England and wales, for the night time tariff 2?


Apart from Purbeck at £9.60, there are quite a few over £7 and one or two over £8.

I thought that's the kind of think you would have had an exact figure for by now JD :D

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But it's certainly a lot less than the 70 on the weekday tariff 2 - probably around a dozen or so.

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Gateshead Angel wrote:
TDO wrote:
So yet again we are deemed for being in the wrong for pointing out that the T&G's view was bollocks.

You even seem to be agreeing with us!!

What a bizarre attitude.

It's easily rectified - tell the T&G to start telling the truth for a change :^o


What the [edited by admin] has the T&G "lied" about.

The council introduced a fare rise formula - ALL LOCAL REPRESENTATIVES AGREED WITH IT.

That is reality, if people have a problem with what a council does then they should take it up with that council and not place the blame at the door of a single representative body looking after the best interest of their membership, or are you suggesting that they shouldn't do that.

If you want to oppose their views properly then set up a National body to fight the T&G in every area they have a branch, and make your views public as they do.



Hmm.. don't you remember what happened to you when you said the wrong thing on your own forum. I'm surprised you've forgotten so quickly, but memory lapses are often convenient.

And weren't you the person who got his knickers in a knot because his name was appearing on this site, a name that you had yourself typed in!!!

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[If you want to oppose their views properly then set up a National body to fight the T&G in every area they have a branch, and make your views public as they do.

You don't want to do that though do you, you want to hide on websites like this shouting and screaming that everyone is wrong, but you don't want to actually do anything about it.



Hmmm.....

Well a national body is obviously a thing that has crossed our minds, who knows what might happen in the future.

But in the meantime, I sent a document of well over 100 pages to the OFT while they were doing their bit, that was in my own name.

I sent about 50 pages to DfT as part of their OFT consultation, again in a personal capacity.

Not only was I instrumental in setting up this site, and much of the stuff on it, I was also the main author of our 70-page Myth and Reality document.

To promote the site one of the other founders compiled a database of around 1,000 taxi-related email addies, diligently harvested from the internet, and including LAs, LOs, Govt depts and taxi firms and individuals.

To promote Myth and Reality another database was compiled consisting of several hundred additional addies, including MPs and MSPs, indeed anyone of these categories that we could find.

But if you want to call this 'not doing anything about it', then that's your view.

There's maybe a better way than standing around on the streets with placards or blockading the roads - this might be more effective in the short term, but we'll see about the longer term :D - mark my words!

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 8:51 pm 
D.T.O. YOU SENT IN 100 PAGES TO THE O.F.T.and 50 TO D.F.T


WE SENT IN 20.000 TO BOTH. BLOCKED THEM UP FOR MONTHS.

LOVE MR T.


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D.T.O. YOU SENT IN 100 PAGES TO THE O.F.T.and 50 TO D.F.T


WE SENT IN 20.000 TO BOTH. BLOCKED THEM UP FOR MONTHS.

LOVE MR T.


20 pages to both, or do you mean 20,000?

Hope it wasn't all in capitals.

But I did mean unique pages, not the same stuff sent in by lots of different people.

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D.T.O. YOU SENT IN 100 PAGES TO THE O.F.T.and 50 TO D.F.T


WE SENT IN 20.000 TO BOTH. BLOCKED THEM UP FOR MONTHS.

LOVE MR T.


It must have been quantity rather than quality, because it certainly didn't seem to do much good :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 9:04 pm 
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Brighton are saying there are 70 Authorities who have a higher night tariff than them. I don't know how they come to that conlusion because I don't know of any data available that shows tariffs above tariff one. Do you or anyone else know of any data that has been published regarding tariff 2, 3 and perhaps 4?



Yes, the Brighton night tariff certainly isn't as high as the day one, even including the £1 weekend tariff unearthed by Sussex - imagine B&H not mentioning that one [-X

And they've also dropped down to ninth in the PHM tables - whatever next? :-({|=

But, as regards the night tarrif, I suspect most of the high ones are more rural authorities which often get higher tariffs because of the dead mileage argument.

Also, the tariffs shown for rate two are the official ones, and I would imagine that many are rarely, if ever charged at that actual rate, whereas there's probably not much discounting in Brighton.

Have you checked out some of those rate 2 tarrifs?

Purbeck £9.60 for two miles, Isle of Wight flagfall £6.00. There are a good few flagfalls over £4.00.


All the PH run on HC fare table in Brighton don't they?? All this and they don't pay a premium :cry: :cry: :cry:


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 9:07 pm 
yes the PH do, and when i drove ph that helped pay for my WAV.
But the PH dont have any chioce they have to chrgae what the firms say they would.
But i know the ph boys would be well happy to have a ph only firm and charge less than the taxi rate.


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This table you posted has Brighton the ninth highest, if the extra pound was added on, would it not make them the highest in the England and wales, for the night time tariff 2?


Apart from Purbeck at £9.60, there are quite a few over £7 and one or two over £8.

I thought that's the kind of think you would have had an exact figure for by now JD :D


lol its nice to sit back and have a rest from figures now and again. I had a quick look at the fares table but I didn't disect it, I was too busy. The Brighton result was a foregone conclusion, there was no need for a report the councillors had already made a decision, that was evident.

Best wishes

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