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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:51 pm 
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toots wrote:

Oh yeah, as I said all public transport is privately owned including HC's so I don't agree with your comment that "PH may as well be your next door neighbour giving you a lift". Has your next door neighbour fulfilled the criteria to offer a service to the public?


What service to the public do you provide? you have every right to refuse to accept a booking from the public, thats not public service, we hacks on a rank have no right as a rule to refuse transport to the public,

hence Hacks = public

PH, I guess you only need to look at the name = Private, I.E not public!!


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What service to the public do you provide?


Let me think about that one please. I thought I offered a transport service but apparently not if you're asking :?

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Let me think about that one please. I thought I offered a transport service but apparently not if you're asking :?


You do Toots, via an Operator and with a private contract, not a public service.

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Chris the Fish wrote:
toots wrote:
Oh yeah, as I said all public transport is privately owned including HC's so I don't agree with your comment that "PH may as well be your next door neighbour giving you a lift". Has your next door neighbour fulfilled the criteria to offer a service to the public?

Toots, to further clarify.

1. A Taxi (hackney) may be hailed.

2. A Public Omnibus may be hailed (even between stops).

3. An Omnibus or Taxi at a "Stop" or "Rank" as the case may be, may not without "reasonale excuse" refuse to carry the prospective passenger. (Because it is "Public Transport").

4. A PH operator may decline any booking. (Because it is not "Public").

5. A PH Driver may not form a rank, accept a booking, pick up a hail, or in effect do anything to suggest that he or she is Public Transport.


Number 2 is wrong, Mr Fish. Buses CANNOT pick up/drop off except at recognised stops.

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1. A Taxi (hackney) may be hailed.



only in thier own LA......


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Chris the Fish wrote:
toots wrote:
Let me think about that one please. I thought I offered a transport service but apparently not if you're asking :?


You do Toots, via an Operator and with a private contract, not a public service.


Im a service to the public, i have an ops licence, and anyway, a verbal agreement can form a legally binding contract under common law, even for a hack....


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Chris the Fish wrote:
toots wrote:
Let me think about that one please. I thought I offered a transport service but apparently not if you're asking :?


You do Toots, via an Operator and with a private contract, not a public service.


According to all these definitions taxis aren't public tranpsort either

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public transport
n
(Engineering / Automotive Engineering) (Transport / Railways) a system of buses, trains, etc., running on fixed routes, on which the public may travel


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public transport noun n [U] UK (US public transportation) a system of vehicles such as buses and trains which operate at regular times on fixed routes and are used by the public


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pub·lic trans·por·ta·tion


noun

Definition:

vehicles for public use: a network of passenger vehicles for use by the public running on set routes, usually at set times and charging set fares


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Public transport, public transportation, public transit or mass transit comprise all transport systems in which the passengers do not travel in their own vehicles. While the above terms are generally taken to include rail and bus services, wider definitions might include scheduled airline services, ferries, taxicab services etc. — any system that transports members of the general public. A further restriction that is sometimes applied is that transit should occur in continuously shared vehicles, which would exclude taxis that are not shared-ride taxis.

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Public transport (also public transportation, public transit, or mass transit) is a shared passenger transportation service which is available for use by the general public, as distinct from modes such as Taxicab and car pooling which are not shared by strangers without private arrangement.


However the following definitions would elude that not only taxis but private hire are public transport

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Public transport comprises all transport systems in which the passengers do not travel in their own vehicles. It is also called public transit or mass transit. While it is generally taken to mean rail and bus services, wider definitions would include scheduled airline services, ferries, taxicab services etc. — any system that transports members of the general public.


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PUBLIC TRANSPORT (noun)
The noun PUBLIC TRANSPORT has 1 sense:

1. conveyance for passengers or mail or freight


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public transport.Buses, trains etc that are available for everyone to use.


Even the Dft elude to private hire being part of the public transport system

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The Government is committed to an accessible public transport system in which disabled people have the same opportunities to travel as other members of society. Taxis and private hire vehicles (PHVs) are a vital link in the accessible transport chain and, although disabled people are reported to travel a third less often than the public in general, they use taxis and PHVs on average 67% more often.

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jimbo wrote:
Number 2 is wrong, Mr Fish. Buses CANNOT pick up/drop off except at recognised stops.

Yes they can, but they don't have to do so, and only if it is safe.

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Toots, on this one we will no doubt continue to disagree.

DfT say public in lower case - PH are included in accessible - again lower case.

But if we agreed on everything it would be a dull world. :wink:

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Chris the Fish wrote:
DfT say public in lower case - PH are included in accessible - again lower case.

So you would wish to keep saloon taxis, not licensed in your manor, out of your bus lanes as well?

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Chris the Fish wrote:
Toots, on this one we will no doubt continue to disagree.

DfT say public in lower case - PH are included in accessible - again lower case.

But if we agreed on everything it would be a dull world. :wink:


We shall indeed continue to disagree on this :lol: I also don't see the word taxis in upper case :?

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toots wrote:
Chris the Fish wrote:
Toots, on this one we will no doubt continue to disagree.

DfT say public in lower case - PH are included in accessible - again lower case.

But if we agreed on everything it would be a dull world. :wink:


We shall indeed continue to disagree on this :lol: I also don't see the word taxis in upper case :?

Those highlighted were the words I considered case sensitive.

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Looking forward to receiving a few bus lane tickets after going to Exhibition Road, Chancery Lane and Devonshire Place!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:15 am 
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Scenario-A hackney with a radio goes to a job with a private hire vehicle with same company radio.The hackney fare is £2 less cos he can go up the bus lane eventhough both fares are on the meter.The private hire gets his fare and the friends chat amongst themselves.They end up feeling ripped off and decide to stop using phone up bookings from home into town.They go to the local pub instead or drink at home.Point being customers pay on the meter and expect to have the car using the bus lane whether hackney or private hire.Views please.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:17 am 
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Scenario-A hackney with a radio goes to a job with a private hire vehicle with same company radio.The hackney fare is £2 less cos he can go up the bus lane eventhough both fares are on the meter.The private hire gets his fare and the friends chat amongst themselves.They end up feeling ripped off and decide to stop using phone up bookings from home into town.They go to the local pub instead or drink at home.Point being customers pay on the meter and expect to have the car using the bus lane whether hackney or private hire.Views please.

Indeed it's a mess, and a mess that suits the hackney trade who pat idiot councils on the back for this blatant discrimination. :sad:

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