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So none of you have siblings at university ? Showing what you really think.Do you really want to go down the american route where youre paying debt off the rest of your life.Maybe you dont think protest works,but its their right and a sustained campaign can change things.Unwashed,dole scroungers,come on come up with something original !


My daughter has just left school and started work.

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University a pice of [edited by admin] ? Try doing a degree whilst working to pay your debt off.Come on is that the best you can say.Education should be foe everyone it should be free.Were not in the days when you can just walk into a job.Dont really want my kids driving a cab to be honest


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University a pice of [edited by admin] ? Try doing a degree whilst working to pay your debt off.Come on is that the best you can say.Education should be foe everyone it should be free.Were not in the days when you can just walk into a job.Dont really want my kids driving a cab to be honest


So are you saying students doing art degrees should be paid for too?

What they going to do when they leave Uni......draw pictures?

Thats a great use of tax payers money.

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Try doing a degree whilst working to pay your debt off.


The debt doesn't become payable until a certain earnings level is reached AFTER leaving university. It is then repayable by means of an alteration in the tax code over a period of about 30 years. Barely discernible to those earning; not payable by those not earning.

Cheapest form of borrowing available to students, my daughter used hers to buy her first car!!


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Try doing a degree whilst working to pay your debt off.


The debt doesn't become payable until a certain earnings level is reached AFTER leaving university. It is then repayable by means of an alteration in the tax code over a period of about 30 years. Barely discernible to those earning; not payable by those not earning.

Cheapest form of borrowing available to students, my daughter used hers to buy her first car!!


I don't think Blackpool has a clue about how these things work. The students protesting don't seem to either, and they are supposed to be the smartest that our society has produced.

Over the past few weeks we have been taking a lot of people who are graduating this year for interviews at MARS. They are hoping to join the companys graduate programme. after talking to some of them about the protests, it became clear that they didn't even understand when they would have to repay their loans. One thought that he wouldn't even be able to apply for a mortgage until he had paid off the full ammount. :roll:

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Me not have a clue ? Art degree.. who do you think is going to teach art.Go on think, your the one without a clue maybe you should brush up on your education.


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Me not have a clue ? Art degree.. who do you think is going to teach art.Go on think, your the one without a clue maybe you should brush up on your education.


I cant recall saying you didnt have a clue, perhaps you could point me to that statement?

I dont think art should be taught full stop.......I'd rather the money went somewhere else, keeping pensioners warm would be more sensible to me.

That aside, if a person is going to be an art teacher then its only right they should pay for being taught to be a teacher.

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lets list all the "modern" degree courses?

i mean, how many "Leisure and Tourism" graduates do we really need?


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Or Media Studies?

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Todays news that 57,000 graduates (or ex-students) kept paying back loans when they didnt owe anything made me chuckle


obviously not maths, business, banking or finance grads then


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Me not have a clue ? Art degree.. who do you think is going to teach art.Go on think, your the one without a clue maybe you should brush up on your education.


brush up.....art degree.......PMSL....


we have 16 year olds leaving school who cannot read or write, you wanna teach em to paint?....


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Sorry captain got wrong person forgive me please ? No seriously thats your view about art your entitled to it but think youll find your a minority.What we going to do stop kids painting or adults come to that.As is shown in many surveys art be it public or not enriches and broadens the mind give it a go


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As a reply to you wannabe you say weve got kids leaving school 16 cant read or wright yet you wouldnt want to send them to university would you ?As for the art degree do you really think you just paint ? Try looking at what these courses involve .You really dont have a clue do you..


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As a reply to you wannabe you say weve got kids leaving school 16 cant read or wright yet you wouldnt want to send them to university would you ?As for the art degree do you really think you just paint ? Try looking at what these courses involve .You really dont have a clue do you..


as a parent of five kids from age 33 to 18 (now) what i have seen (first child started school a LONG time ago, youngest has just left) is education becoming a "snowball", it is fuelling its own furtherment due to many external sources and its won desire to evolve and grow, this a fundamental flaw in the system.

you cannot have all kids staying at school/uni till they are 30, which frankly im sure certain elements of educational managemant would love to see, after all its thier jobs!

the diversity of courses at higher levels has gotten out of hand and now includes some which are there just to justify the courses/department/lecturers, this cannot go on, it isnt sustainable

i cannot be alone in thinking longer-term education is a hiding place for a generation who havent the will or desire to seek a job

lets get back to schools teaching upto 17, then lets have good old fashioned HARD exams to see who is bright enough to justify a university placement in the hope of a proper degree in a real "ology".......


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As a reply to you wannabe you say weve got kids leaving school 16 cant read or wright yet you wouldnt want to send them to university would you ?As for the art degree do you really think you just paint ? Try looking at what these courses involve .You really dont have a clue do you..


as a parent of five kids from age 33 to 18 (now) what i have seen (first child started school a LONG time ago, youngest has just left) is education becoming a "snowball", it is fuelling its own furtherment due to many external sources and its own desire to evolve and grow, this a fundamental flaw in the system.

you cannot have all kids staying at school/uni till they are 30, which frankly im sure certain elements of educational managemant would love to see, after all its thier jobs!

the diversity of courses at higher levels has gotten out of hand and now includes some which are there just to justify the courses/department/lecturers, this cannot go on, it isnt sustainable

i cannot be alone in thinking longer-term education is a hiding place for a generation who havent the will or desire to seek a job

lets get back to schools teaching upto 17, then lets have good old fashioned HARD exams to see who is bright enough to justify a university placement in the hope of a proper degree in a real "ology".......


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