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I understand the (desired) legalities of it (basically that the booking office should supply only vehicles plated in the same LA it is based in) but seeing as that office can then legally send a plated PH or HC across borders to pickup and drop anywhere rather seems to sink the whole case.....

Not at all.

If a customer from area A wants a taxi/PH from license area B, then they can ring and wait, but at least they know what they are ordering.

In many areas customers from A are thinking they are getting a taxi/PH from A, but they are not.

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wannabeeahack wrote:
I understand the (desired) legalities of it (basically that the booking office should supply only vehicles plated in the same LA it is based in) but seeing as that office can then legally send a plated PH or HC across borders to pickup and drop anywhere rather seems to sink the whole case.....

Not at all.

If a customer from area A wants a taxi/PH from license area B, then they can ring and wait, but at least they know what they are ordering.

In many areas customers from A are thinking they are getting a taxi/PH from A, but they are not.


and what difference does that really make if they get the service they asked for, cos if they dont they wont ring it again

STD codes are to blame, they dont conform to LA boundaries, i see a base with our STD code and it could be in anyone of 4 LAs, i wouldnt be bothered who turns up, BTW you say "they can ring and wait" but the base "ober the border" could be nearer than one IN the same LA as the punter....


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wannabeeahack wrote:
I understand the (desired) legalities of it (basically that the booking office should supply only vehicles plated in the same LA it is based in) but seeing as that office can then legally send a plated PH or HC across borders to pickup and drop anywhere rather seems to sink the whole case.....

Not at all.

If a customer from area A wants a taxi/PH from license area B, then they can ring and wait, but at least they know what they are ordering.

In many areas customers from A are thinking they are getting a taxi/PH from A, but they are not.


and what difference does that really make if they get the service they asked for, cos if they dont they wont ring it again

STD codes are to blame, they dont conform to LA boundaries, i see a base with our STD code and it could be in anyone of 4 LAs, i wouldnt be bothered who turns up, BTW you say "they can ring and wait" but the base "ober the border" could be nearer than one IN the same LA as the punter....


The point being that L/A's license drivers and vehicles to service the electorate of that L/A not another L/A. Therfore once a vehicle has completed a job it should return to the L/A it is licensed in to wait to serve the next client in it's L/A that requires a service.

In other words license in the L/A you want to work in, not in an L/A with easier conditions of license and then cream of the work from drivers who have met the criteria required.

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brightonbreezy wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
Sussex wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
I understand the (desired) legalities of it (basically that the booking office should supply only vehicles plated in the same LA it is based in) but seeing as that office can then legally send a plated PH or HC across borders to pickup and drop anywhere rather seems to sink the whole case.....

Not at all.

If a customer from area A wants a taxi/PH from license area B, then they can ring and wait, but at least they know what they are ordering.

In many areas customers from A are thinking they are getting a taxi/PH from A, but they are not.


and what difference does that really make if they get the service they asked for, cos if they dont they wont ring it again

STD codes are to blame, they dont conform to LA boundaries, i see a base with our STD code and it could be in anyone of 4 LAs, i wouldnt be bothered who turns up, BTW you say "they can ring and wait" but the base "ober the border" could be nearer than one IN the same LA as the punter....


The point being that L/A's license drivers and vehicles to service the electorate of that L/A not another L/A. Therfore once a vehicle has completed a job it should return to the L/A it is licensed in to wait to serve the next client in it's L/A that requires a service.


In other words license in the L/A you want to work in, not in an L/A with easier conditions of license and then cream of the work from drivers who have met the criteria required.



But they CAN legally cover work (as I can) in/out of any LA, just so long as thier base takes the call, geography and technology are against you in this, "borders" are just lines on a map

LAs cannot stop other areas vehicles coming into thier area to drop nor to collect.

A circuit I used be on had always covered lots of work in a neighbouring district/town simply because the owner had been well known in that town and we were cheaper than the local firms, we didnt have to return to base simply because there was a stream of work to keep us in the that town


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Why on earth would a car/driver license elsewhere,


maybe because they are booked? maybe thats because they quoted on a job?


im in Lichfield, but ive happily done Heanor (Derbyshire) - LHR and (on another day) LHR-Ashby (leics), and why wouldnt i want to?.....and i could NEVER be plated for those LAs could I

I quote and if i win i do it, wherever


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Why on earth would a car/driver license elsewhere,


maybe because they are booked? maybe thats because they quoted on a job?


im in Lichfield, but ive happily done Heanor (Derbyshire) - LHR and (on another day) LHR-Ashby (leics), and why wouldnt i want to?.....and i could NEVER be plated for those LAs could I

I quote and if i win i do it, wherever


Your missing the point, yes a customer has a choice, yes your entittled to cover what jobs you want subject to receiving the booking in your operating office that is licensed by your L/A, but a vehicle/driver is licensed by a L/A to fundamentaly service that L/A therefore the vehicle/driver should return to that L/A when they are empty.

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Im not missing any point, but to many "outsiders" it could look like simply a case of trying to protect your own market, the public wouldnt like that would they, suspecting the reason is really to reduce competion and keep prices up

how many have been convicted* of any offence under this heading in the last year?


*cops or LA, and i dont mean plying for hire by a PH or out of area hack


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But they CAN legally cover work (as I can) in/out of any LA, just so long as thier base takes the call, geography and technology are against you in this, "borders" are just lines on a map

LAs cannot stop other areas vehicles coming into thier area to drop nor to collect.

A circuit I used be on had always covered lots of work in a neighbouring district/town simply because the owner had been well known in that town and we were cheaper than the local firms, we didnt have to return to base simply because there was a stream of work to keep us in the that town


***This is why you cannot stop it***, as mention above.
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Im not missing any point, but to many "outsiders" it could look like simply a case of trying to protect your own market, the public wouldnt like that would they, suspecting the reason is really to reduce competion and keep prices up


I am not govern by a tariff, I think Brighton got more competition with the 24 hr buses, then the other vehicles, Theres nothing to stop me from doing this, but i not going down that route. theres a lot of outsiders leeching work out of brighthon.

Its a market just like any other business
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i don't like it,
you can thank the internet for this.


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you can thank the internet for this.


it was common to ring the cheapest firm long before the internet came about


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But it made it so easier now, any opt or a hack can advertise anywhere on this rock.

Diffrent standards and conditions of vehicles,

Just make it a national standard and conditions, problem solve. for each side of the trades, but they can't so you are always going to have this problem cross hiring, people just find ways around / cheat it


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But it made it so easier now, any opt or a hack can advertise anywhere on this rock.

Diffrent standards and conditions of vehicles,

Just make it a national standard and conditions, problem solve. for each side of the trades, but they can't so you are always going to have this problem cross hiring, people just find ways around / cheat it


its possible the "other" LA has HIGHER standards isnt it?

cheat? only if the plated vehicle and base are in different LAs, the chances of which are?....if in the same LA its 100% legal


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Think what is outside the la's control or act, which they have no power over, or what does not need a LA opt licence In form of transport.

That's one of them.

But I don't practice this.
Yes it need a change but I can see how they are going to make it lock down.


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wannabeeahack wrote:
But they CAN legally cover work (as I can) in/out of any LA, just so long as thier base takes the call, geography and technology are against you in this, "borders" are just lines on a map

LAs cannot stop other areas vehicles coming into thier area to drop nor to collect.

I'm not sure I have seen anything written that A) says that doesn't happen, and B) it should stop in the future.

The issue is the waiting around (for a job) in an area to which you are not licensed.

In many areas hackneys have by-laws saying they should return to their licensing district when free, I support making that apply to all hackneys and all PH.

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Im not missing any point, but to many "outsiders" it could look like simply a case of trying to protect your own market, the public wouldnt like that would they, suspecting the reason is really to reduce competion and keep prices up

You are making out that defending ones interests is a bad thing.

As for the public, if they want an out of town vehicle, then let them have one, but don't supply them with one if they don't request one.

You still keep avoiding the point in relation to why drivers license in an area but never work there.

It's to get past the standards set down by the local council.

Now you may like having sh** levels of driver and vehicle standards, I happen to dislike them.

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how many have been convicted* of any offence under this heading in the last year?

Not enough.

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***This is why you cannot stop it***, as mention above.

This is why those concerned about this issue as lobbying parliament to stop it.

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