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You are familiar with what inequality, discrimination, and exploitation mean when you are a driver?

Why don't you put the words to the above, so we understand, that you understand?

Without inequality, discrimination, and exploitation, there is no restriction on licence plates.

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Indeed, but the point is that PH growth is significantly higher with restricted taxi numbers, and I don't think anyone has ever argued that PH don't grow in number in derestricted areas.



As I've said before often enough, most HCs are on circuits, restrictions or otherwise, so I don't get your point - if they're not on a PH circuit then they'd be on an HC circuit?

Anyway, a circuit's a circuit, how do you define one each way or the other if it's a mixed fleet? In your example you might as well say that the PH are an HC circuit, although presumably you define a circuit by virtue of whether the HC or PH fleet is the bigger, or which came first?

But at the end of the day phone work is phone work as regards analysing the market; it doesn't matter hugely what kind of market people are phoning.

Whether people phone a PH or HC circuit - and thus how many vehicles join either - is down to how successfully they compete in the market.

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Caledonian Cabbie

That argument dont figure.....PH here have gone from 250 + to 40 ish since deregulation.

CC

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Thanks - Toots was obviously even more wrong than I thought she was

But perhaps I should have said unrestricted rather than derestricted.

The point is that once the market has settled down after derestriction then PH should increase or decrease broadly in line with HC, although it can depend on the state of the economy at the time, not to mention local factors such as regulatory decisions other than numerical controls.

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Caledonian Cabbie

Oh look you've managed to avoid answering the question again, how many times have I asked you this now?

As you say without inequality, discrimination and exploitation there is no restriction. So lets say you get what you want and there is no restriction. What do you think is going to happen in Edinburgh when it does derestrict?

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Note to self: Just because it pops into my head does NOT mean it should come out of my mouth!!

You're talking p*sh. Put down the Bells and try again.

BTW Is this a reprise of your school report?

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Skull, "You are a police inspector, aren't you?"
Cab Inspector Smith, "Yes."
Skull, "So, are you going to tell Mr Taylor what his rights are?"
Smith, "And ... What rights?"

Caledonian Cabbie


It's been the crux of most arguements that PH are taking work away from the HC trade and more so in restricted areas. They claim to not be able to compete against the unrestricted market of the PH industry, personally I don't know why they can't. I don't believe derestriction changes that for HC driver.



Before you applaud what CC wrote you should read what I wrote. I specifically stated large cities and towns. With a population of a mere 104,000 approx and a combined fleet of HCs and PHVs probably less than our HC trade alone. Lets not forget they have saloon HCs in the land of CC which I am sure makes all the difference to the amount of PHV you would have. If we allowed saloon vehicles to be plated as HCs I don't think we'd have so many PHVs either Having said that they now have a policy of only licensing WAVs for new applicants, I wonder who's bright idea that was?



Well I guess that's reassuring. Do you have any idea how long that might take and at what % rate broadly are we talking about



The rates are different for a start. How confusing for a customer do you think this is? They ring a PH company and get a taxi and are charged the reduced rate of the PH company. They then get into a taxi off the street and are charged more, I believe this would cause confusion. When customers use PH companies and get taxis it becomes more clouded in their mind the significant difference between the two such as the ability to be flagged enabling more unscrupleous PH to pirate. Then there are the unscrupleous HC drivers that charge the PH extra of having a 5 seater vehicle which takes them over their fare card which is illegal. I've even had this arguement with a taxi driver who believes he doesn't have to put his meter on because it's a PH job. It just causes confusion. HCs should be on HC circuits

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Charge the same and end the confusion.


Most of these companies advertise themselves as taxi or cab companies.
Most people ringing ask for a taxi or a cab - very few ask for a private hire car.
Hardly a surprise if the public are confused. Question is who is causing the confusion?




Enforcement action should be used and ignorance of the law is no defence.
Charge the same rate and the confusion re fares is ended.
Require all PH to use a meter and allow them to discount the fare as HC's do.

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We here have mixed fleets of everything ! Still doesnt stop ph growing .We licence anything as a hackney.Which i believe is a mistake,even bigger mistake is licensing anything as ph,we even get eurobus and peugot as ph.How confusing to the public is that ! Lately though a lot of the companys have starting different discounts which is a pain in the ars for everyone.

That's because you still restrict ph!

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IDFIMH

That would suit me just fine I'd earn more, but alas it's not for me to do it's not my company I just pay to use the circuit.



I see your point but the problem is the word 'taxi' is quite generic really isn't it. Areoplanes taxi and so do phvs. Perhaps we should call things what they are rather than what they do and the word 'taxi' on top of a HC should be replaced with the words 'Hackney Carriage'. The public could then be informed that the only thing they can flag down is a Hackney Carriage. From a public point of view what PH provide is a taxi service and that's not to be confused with a limo service, coach service, bus service etc but will easily be confused with a taxi service provided by a HC. I'm inclined to believe it is the law that is causing the confusion



I agree entirely they should use enforcement action but apparently the funds for this are used to try and catch pirate hire (as it should). I also agree that ignorance of the law is no defence but taxi drivers know everything don't you know How exactly do you make a private company set a rate? I personally wouldn't be bothered if I had to charge the same rate as HCs as I said before.

Can you tell me though as a HC driver what you provide the public with that I as PH driver doesn't

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Note to self: Just because it pops into my head does NOT mean it should come out of my mouth!!

We dont restrict p h never have done wrong again im afraid !

The vast majority of companys with mixed fleets hc and ph charge the same rate.Only a couple of companys who started discounting spoil it for everyone

I know, and that's what happens when you try to post via an iphone.

I meant because you still restrict taxis.

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IDFIMH

Sorry you as behind with your views as you are with technology where you are