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Do you see a better service in lets say dublin since they deregulated ? Dont think so !

So you think customers are still waiting hours with all those extra cabs?


wait or ring for a PH i say!


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10 years after deregulation and its clear dereg was and is a disaster for Ireland.
Taxis fares never went down infact they went up substantially.
Passenger journey times increased because of the major taxi traffic problems causing higher fares for passengers.
Some passengers have opted to get out of taxis because of taxi traffic.
No business can be prosperous in such a deregulated mess.
In Dublin City alone where we have a population of 2 million there are 13 thousand taxis.
Ireland is awash with taxis and the industry is destroyed.
Many many attacks on passengers and over charging is common.
With so many taxis and so few places to park law breaking is rampant on the streets of Dublin.
Cops issue fines over and over to the same taxi drivers who have no choice but to presist in their search for work.
Nighlty there are fights amongst drivers over parking places or fares.
After dereg all respectfor drivers within the industry went out the window .. few drivers would help each other should the need arise.
The taxi regulator and the Irish Government made a major blunder with deregulation in Ireland and they know it.
There is an attempt by the regulator and the gov to try backtrack on dereg but the mess they created is going to be hard to fix.
At the moment there is a number of court cases in the pipeline and the Government may end up paying out millions for the mess they and the regulator created. Need i say more have a good new year


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The price of a taxi licence in Dublin rose from I£3,500 in 1980 to I£90,000 in 2000 (This represents an annual increase of 17.6%). Taxi license prices in Dublin were far above those in other European cities before deregulation in Ireland.

Market entry had been restricted from 1978 to 2000. A ministerial proposal to increase the number of taxis by just adding vehicles to existing taxi licences was challenged in the High Court by hackney drivers of private hire vehicles.

In Irish transport law taxis are public hire vehicles which may be hailed on the street or at taxi ranks while hackneys are private hire vehicles which have to be hired by phone.

The legal challenge was successful.

Entry to the taxi sector was deregulated by the High Court and not just restricted to those with existing taxi licences. The High Court judgement stated that the restriction affected the right of people to work in the industry for which they were qualified and the right of the public to the services of taxis. The judgement also referred to the EU dimension of the case. It suggested that the proposed reform may discriminate against non-Irish residents as the great majority of current licence holders would be Irish. Following the deregulation judgement there was a dramatic increase in taxi numbers (see top chart above).

Since deregulation the local authority administration fee for the issue of a taxi licence is I£5,000. Large reductions in passenger waiting times have made deregulation popular among the public. There has not been a reduction in either driver or vehicle standards. Taxi deregulation in Ireland followed a restriction of new entrants for 22 years, the second half of which was a period of rapid economic growth.


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10 years after deregulation and its clear dereg was and is a disaster for Ireland.

Remind me of a council in England and Wales that has deregulated in the same way as Ireland did? :?

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Is that the only argument you can copy ? that licence fees went down and that passenger waiting times are less ? What about fares are higher,taxi drivers are working 14 15 hour days to make a living .there are far more illegal drivers working ....I could go on but its absolute nonsence to think it works.the only reason most phv want deregulation is so that they can move over to the taxi trade !


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Is that the only argument you can copy ? that licence fees went down and that passenger waiting times are less ? What about fares are higher,taxi drivers are working 14 15 hour days to make a living .there are far more illegal drivers working ....I could go on but its absolute nonsence to think it works.the only reason most phv want deregulation is so that they can move over to the taxi trade !


I can be either should I wish, I choose not to - Ive done enough sitting on ranks watching the sun come up and go down thanks


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Why would you want dereg then, stay with what you know.


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blackpool wrote:
Why would you want dereg then, stay with what you know.


Because its against the principles of free markets maybe?


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Doesnt really work like that does it though ? Take a good look at deregulated cities around the world not just uk.Its a mistake where a lot have tried to reverse it.Bit jelous are you, that it works here ?


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Doesnt really work like that does it though ? Take a good look at deregulated cities around the world not just uk.Its a mistake where a lot have tried to reverse it.Bit jelous are you, that it works here ?


did you mean jealous?

get real, btw, if you check, every town from Quebec to Auckland that has deregulated has seen lower fares and higher standards, but the value of your plate will tumble.....

as ive said, i was a hack 20 years ago, ive been PH too, i choose which i want, and theres no unfair block should i wish to sit on a rank

while your running drunks home and needing a safety mesh/screen between you and your (unknown) passengers, i have my trips agreed in advance and carry people who appreciate service


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Really so youve been in my cab have you ?You know how i work ? . My doors are locked if i dont like someone they dont go.Have a look at american cities for a start .If you like ph work stick to it and ill stick to what i do .Why do ph worry about hackneys always wondered ? As i say its always worked here so why change it.


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Really so youve been in my cab have you ?You know how i work ? . My doors are locked if i dont like someone they dont go.Have a look at american cities for a start .If you like ph work stick to it and ill stick to what i do .Why do ph worry about hackneys always wondered ? As i say its always worked here so why change it.


oh now your locking em out as well, and you can tell what they are like before they get in?

must get stuffy in your cab in summer with no aircon, and all the doors and windows shut against the punters......... oh i forgot

your in blackpool....pmsl

i think your just worried about competition on the rank


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you said,as ive said, i was a hack 20 years ago, ive been PH too, i choose which i want, and theres no unfair block should i wish to sit on a rank

theres no block should you wish to sit on a rank ? You sure you know who you are ?


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blackpool wrote:
you said,as ive said, i was a hack 20 years ago, ive been PH too, i choose which i want, and theres no unfair block should i wish to sit on a rank

theres no block should you wish to sit on a rank ? You sure you know who you are ?


I can choose to be hack or PH

I have a dual badge, i CHOSE to plate PH, by way of vehicle type and colour (and age limitation), I could have gone hackney or speciality (both have provision for older vehicles, i can send you the regs if you wish) though we have a 10 year limit for hackney 1st plates on Lti sheds

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PS, is this like yours?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1996-N-REG-FAIRWA ... 45f7c6891e


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If your meaning is it a proper purpose built vehicle as opposed to a car ? I suppose the answer is yes.I can choose what i drive to and if i want to be hackney or ph.I can also choose to be on a company or work the streets.So weve both got a lot of choices.What i dont get if your happy with your work stop worrying about mine !


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