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Lets say you get the derestriction you value so much. Do you think the public will be served any better at 4am on Sunday after a night out? Ok it may create a more level playing field, I'm not entirely convinced it does however but lets say it does, what do you think is going to happen in Edinburgh?


You are familiar with what inequality, discrimination, and exploitation mean when you are a driver?

Why don't you put the words to the above, so we understand, that you understand?

Without inequality, discrimination, and exploitation, there is no restriction on licence plates.


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Oh look you've managed to avoid answering the question again, how many times have I asked you this now?

As you say without inequality, discrimination and exploitation there is no restriction. So lets say you get what you want and there is no restriction. What do you think is going to happen in Edinburgh when it does derestrict?


Without a shadow of a doubt, the public will be better served at 4am, on a Sunday morning after a night out. I used to be one of the punters walking the streets for miles or freezing my tits off hanging around on ranks waiting for taxis. The plug was pulled and punters disappeared off ranks like snow off a dyke. I came into the game shortly after the plug was pulled. The new blood driving a taxi thought Edinburgh was the land of milk and honey, while others believed their world was coming to an end.

If Edinburgh de-restricts with the current quality controls in place, the trade will evolve. What shape that takes will be down to the so called trade representatives doing their jobs.


Chaos, can be avoided but I wouldn't want to stake my life on it, although I know that some already have, and that's life. :-|

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The vast majority of companys with mixed fleets hc and ph charge the same rate.Only a couple of companys who started discounting spoil it for everyone


Which rate is that? Is it the HC rate set by the council or the PH rate set by the company? How do discounts spoil things?

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If Edinburgh de-restricts with the current quality controls in place, the trade will evolve. What shape that takes will be down to the so called trade representatives doing their jobs.


Which will of course involve the trade taking an interest. Do you have that much interest in the trade in Edinburgh cos it seems quite lacking in the rest of the UK

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If Edinburgh de-restricts with the current quality controls in place, the trade will evolve. What shape that takes will be down to the so called trade representatives doing their jobs.


Which will of course involve the trade taking an interest. Do you have that much interest in the trade in Edinburgh cos it seems quite lacking in the rest of the UK


Well, the bottom line is, if people don't take an interest in their trade then we will get no more than we deserve.

It seems fair enough to me. :-|

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Which rate is that? Is it the HC rate set by the council or the PH rate set by the company? How do discounts spoil things
Up until a couple of years ago everyone worked by the same rates ph and hackney on the meter,then one company ph and hc started lowering the start rate ,10% discount cards,cut price everything.Owner isnt arsed cause he just collects the money.but then other companys do the same and before you know it.....


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Which rate is that? Is it the HC rate set by the council or the PH rate set by the company? How do discounts spoil things
Up until a couple of years ago everyone worked by the same rates ph and hackney on the meter,then one company ph and hc started lowering the start rate ,10% discount cards,cut price everything.Owner isnt arsed cause he just collects the money.but then other companys do the same and before you know it.....


We are all working for, not a lot

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Price rigging is a criminal offence

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Charge the same and end the confusion.


That would suit me just fine I'd earn more, but alas it's not for me to do it's not my company I just pay to use the circuit.
If the circuit owners do not listen perhaps you should consider moving to another circuit or setting up a new one with some like minded people?

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Most of these companies advertise themselves as taxi or cab companies.
Most people ringing ask for a taxi or a cab - very few ask for a private hire car.
Hardly a surprise if the public are confused. Question is who is causing the confusion?


I see your point but the problem is the word 'taxi' is quite generic really isn't it. Areoplanes taxi and so do phvs. Perhaps we should call things what they are rather than what they do and the word 'taxi' on top of a HC should be replaced with the words 'Hackney Carriage'. The public could then be informed that the only thing they can flag down is a Hackney Carriage. From a public point of view what PH provide is a taxi service and that's not to be confused with a limo service, coach service, bus service etc but will easily be confused with a taxi service provided by a HC. I'm inclined to believe it is the law that is causing the confusion


It's not a generic term here. The 1982 act defines the word "taxi" thus:
    23(1) In sections 10 to 22 of this Act:-
    “taxi” means a hire car which is engaged, by arrangements made in a public place between the person to be conveyed in it (or a person acting on his behalf) and its driver for a journey beginning there and then; and
    “private hire car” means a hire car other than a taxi within the meaning of this subsection.
Nowhere in the 1982 Act does it refer to a "Hackney Carriage"
Perhaps after 163 years it's time for a new taxi act for E & W and the consignment to history of this archaic term. This would at least remove some confusion but certainly will not end it. After nearly 30 years here, Joe Public still doesn't quite understand the difference.

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Enforcement action should be used and ignorance of the law is no defence.
Charge the same rate and the confusion re fares is ended.
Require all PH to use a meter and allow them to discount the fare as HC's do.


I agree entirely they should use enforcement action but apparently the funds for this are used to try and catch pirate hire (as it should). I also agree that ignorance of the law is no defence but taxi drivers know everything don't you know :wink: How exactly do you make a private company set a rate? I personally wouldn't be bothered if I had to charge the same rate as HCs as I said before.


Up here the meter rates for PH are set by the council. Private companies do not decide their own rate. (Except in Edinburgh where one PH company has been granted the right to set theirs to a lower tariff by CEC)

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Can you tell me though as a HC driver what you provide the public with that I as PH driver doesn't


In general terms an on the spot taxi service which doesn't need to be booked in advance and the ability to accomodate a passenger seated in their wheelchair.
Without knowing your local PH vehicle and driver licensing conditions I would only be guessing at any others.

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Price rigging is a criminal offence

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


That being the case, every LA in the country must be committing it :wink:

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Price rigging is a criminal offence

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


That being the case, every LA in the country must be committing it :wink:


when no 2 are the same?....


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Price rigging is a criminal offence

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


That being the case, every LA in the country must be committing it :wink:


when no 2 are the same?....


In E & W every taxi meter fitted to a HC within an LA is set to the same rate.
PH as well here in Scotland.
That could be seen as local price rigging and they all do it.

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If the circuit owners do not listen perhaps you should consider moving to another circuit or setting up a new one with some like minded people?


All the circuit owners are of the ilk, but, the latter is being considered :wink:

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After nearly 30 years here, Joe Public still doesn't quite understand the difference.


I think you'll find that they understand perfectly well the difference they just don't care when they want to get home :lol:

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Up here the meter rates for PH are set by the council. Private companies do not decide their own rate. (Except in Edinburgh where one PH company has been granted the right to set theirs to a lower tariff by CEC)


You mean there's no competition, how strange :?

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In general terms an on the spot taxi service which doesn't need to be booked in advance and the ability to accomodate a passenger seated in their wheelchair.
Without knowing your local PH vehicle and driver licensing conditions I would only be guessing at any others.


Quite right that is the only difference, of course if I had a WAV the only difference would be the flagging down/on the spot hiring. I believe that the standards of the PH should be the same as those of the HC trade. I think if the standards are high on both sides it makes for a more level playing field and ensures that it is good service that keeps the customer. The same high standards on both vehicle and driver does help create a more equal system although it's never going to be completely equal unless they get rid of the 'ph taxi'

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Up here the meter rates for PH are set by the council. Private companies do not decide their own rate. (Except in Edinburgh where one PH company has been granted the right to set theirs to a lower tariff by CEC)


You mean there's no competition, how strange :?


Plenty of competition - just not on metered rates. (Ask Skippy :wink: )

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