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surely the argument with Dundee Council should centre on their "no exemption" policy, rather than WAV or saloon. (At least in this case). Bruce has a WAV, his plate will be issued accordingly, I assume. Therefore he should be able to continue with the same vehicle but with the provision, granted by his LA, to be exempt from wheelchair duties. Simples.

Then again is anything simples in this trade right now?

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surely the argument with Dundee Council should centre on their "no exemption" policy, rather than WAV or saloon. (At least in this case). Bruce has a WAV, his plate will be issued accordingly, I assume. Therefore he should be able to continue with the same vehicle but with the provision, granted by his LA, to be exempt from wheelchair duties. Simples.


Thats what I was trying to say, now I order Belsen ffs

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If those are your views then I see little point further in contributing to this thread.

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I agree and maybe NTA members should join the T&G unite as it looks like they will represent you better if you become a disabled taxi driver :sad:


You mean by that don't approach a council and insist on exemption from duties for their member, which would at least would mean he could carry on working, or as Gary describes, where he suggests even that aint necessary because of the Health & Safety Act?

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Personally, I think there's areas other than Dundee, and Carlisle for that matter, if a person who is disabled wishes to enter the job, they should in my view be aware of what the licensing policy is
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He is a taxi driver who has a wav licence and through no fault of his own is unable to assist wheelchair passengers and he is in a area which operates a mixed fleet, if he was a NTA member would you still say that he should put on a wav even though the council has saloons in operation and he is unable to assist wheelchair passengers. Its a simple question.


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grumpy wrote:
surely the argument with Dundee Council should centre on their "no exemption" policy, rather than WAV or saloon. (At least in this case). Bruce has a WAV, his plate will be issued accordingly, I assume. Therefore he should be able to continue with the same vehicle but with the provision, granted by his LA, to be exempt from wheelchair duties. Simples.

Then again is anything simples in this trade right now?


Lets say you were in Bruce's position unable to assist a wheelchair passenger and still had put on a wav when the council still licence saloons, bearing in mind Bruce is an existing licence holder and is only asking for a variation.This could be me or you.


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You choose to personalise this, for whatever reason, you have already stated I should lose my job, wtf should I answer?

However, I will take the worm.

Bruce licensed a WAV taxi, knowing presumably full well that was the only one he could license at the time of his application, either that or buy a license from someone who already had a saloon plate and was retiring.

He suffered an injury that left him unfit to load wheelchairs, presumably this same injury possibly renders him unfit for other duties, such as loading luggage?

To me the vehicle type is irrelevant, a WAV caters for all types of passengers, as does a saloon vehicle.

In my view the Union, lets say UNITE, who are about to completely f*ck up the nations taxi trade, but that's incidental and neither the NTA or STF can actually stop them, should support their member.

The law allows for discretion.

Presumably Bruce still has a WAV........the union should fight for his exemption, if the exemption isn't granted then a saloon vehicle would seem appropriate.

Any council can grant a discretion.

That aside, I dont really like the aggressive attitude you've taken with me tonight, I have spats on a nightly basis with those that wont be mentioned from Edinburgh, but I dont think they nor me, mean anything by it, although admittedly they may completely disagree with that and say I'm a c*nt, nonetheless. Where you were actually quite specific with your attack.

In so far as I'm concerned this is the end of this and every other matter, to quote a quite northern expression, 'you've p*ssed on your chips'.

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Well as i have said the T&G obliviously see this differently to CC . so i leave it up to taxi drivers to decide who they would rather have represent them if in the future they are unable to assist wheelchair passengers and there council has the % of wavs and saloons that the Government want.


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Well as i have said the T&G obliviously see this differently to CC . so i leave it up to taxi drivers to decide who they would rather have represent them if in the future they are unable to assist wheelchair passengers and there council has the % of wavs and saloons that the Government want.


If they are unable to assist they can apply for exemption as currently stated in both the DDA and Equality acts, indeed according to skull they can refuse a WAV hire on the basis of Health and Safety.

Perhaps we should concern ourselves with the owners in Dundee and every other area who operate a WAV in a completely uncompetative environment against saloons.

Is the answer No?

thought so.

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You choose to personalise this, for whatever reason, you have already stated I should lose my job, wtf should I answer?

However, I will take the worm.

Bruce licensed a WAV taxi, knowing presumably full well that was the only one he could license at the time of his application, either that or buy a license from someone who already had a saloon plate and was retiring.

He suffered an injury that left him unfit to load wheelchairs, presumably this same injury possibly renders him unfit for other duties, such as loading luggage?

To me the vehicle type is irrelevant, a WAV caters for all types of passengers, as does a saloon vehicle.

In my view the Union, lets say UNITE, who are about to completely f*ck up the nations taxi trade, but that's incidental and neither the NTA or STF can actually stop them, should support their member.

The law allows for discretion.

Presumably Bruce still has a WAV........the union should fight for his exemption, if the exemption isn't granted then a saloon vehicle would seem appropriate.

Any council can grant a discretion.

That aside, I dont really like the aggressive attitude you've taken with me tonight, I have spats on a nightly basis with those that wont be mentioned from Edinburgh, but I dont think they nor me, mean anything by it, although admittedly they may completely disagree with that and say I'm a c*nt, nonetheless. Where you were actually quite specific with your attack.

In so far as I'm concerned this is the end of this and every other matter, to quote a quite northern expression, 'you've p*ssed on your chips'.

CC



No i think you have shown people your True side.Being a representative of people should always be about them and not what suits you.You should have stuck up for a fellow taxi driver .
As for [edited by admin] on chips i think you have ate yours :D


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No i think you have shown people your True side.Being a representative of people should always be about them and not what suits you.You should have stuck up for a fellow taxi driver .


I see, so I aint entitled to an opinion?

Thats cool, it'll make posting on here a little bland, but cool none the less.

Tell me why a WAV owner in Dundee cannot have a saloon vehicle please.

Because if thats the new belief I'll go to hell on a handcart promoting the very good reasons we should allow new applicants freedom of choice.

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either that or buy a license from someone who already had a saloon plate and was retiring.
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Non transferrable CC. but easy to operate illegally. Ask 25% of the saloon fleet :wink:


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Without wishing to appear harsh, why cant he drive a WAV and have an exemptio
you were being harsh so why not retract your words.


That's not backing a Taxi Driver who could well be a member of the NTA . He is a member of the DTA and the T&G and it looks like they were right to back him lets hope none of your members suffer the same fate or they are up [edited by admin] creek


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either that or buy a license from someone who already had a saloon plate and was retiring.
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Non transferrable CC. but easy to operate illegally. Ask 25% of the saloon fleet :wink:


I obviously realise the need for people to own plates and vehicles, there is a rental market out there for people who cannot afford finance etc, but how many of the 25% have plates and have someone else who owns the vehicle.......does this happen in Scotland, it happens in England, until of course the council are made aware of the law.........strangely enough the NTA dont actually condone that type of profiteering......although I'm certain UNITE dont either, I could ask a friend who's appearing in front of the transport committee next week :shock:

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Without wishing to appear harsh, why cant he drive a WAV and have an exemptio
you were being harsh so why not retract your words.


That's not backing a Taxi Driver who could well be a member of the NTA . He is a member of the DTA and the T&G and it looks like they were right to back him lets hope none of your members suffer the same fate or they are up [edited by admin] creek


Your missing the point, at this stage its presumably because your blind to the issue.

If he was a member of the NTA and it was brought in front of the NTA directors, they would make a decision, which may, or may not, be the same as what your association decided. Is the STF also funding this......that's the Scots version of the NTA, what did the STF committee say?

I gave an opinion, an opinion you didnt like, and then chose to threaten my job, presumably because you didnt like my opinion.

That's akin to fascism ffs.

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Lets say you were in Bruce's position unable to assist a wheelchair passenger and still had put on a wav when the council still licence saloons, bearing in mind Bruce is an existing licence holder and is only asking for a variation.This could be me or you.


And you drive what kind of vehicle, precisely?

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Without wishing to appear harsh, why cant he drive a WAV and have an exemptio
you were being harsh so why not retract your words.


That's not backing a Taxi Driver who could well be a member of the NTA . He is a member of the DTA and the T&G and it looks like they were right to back him lets hope none of your members suffer the same fate or they are up [edited by admin] creek


Your missing the point, at this stage its presumably because your blind to the issue.

If he was a member of the NTA and it was brought in front of the NTA directors, they would make a decision, which may, or may not, be the same as what your association decided. Is the STF also funding this......that's the Scots version of the NTA, what did the STF committee say?

I gave an opinion, an opinion you didnt like, and then chose to threaten my job, presumably because you didnt like my opinion.

That's akin to fascism ffs.

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What are you all about you tit you feel Threatened because you no you were wrong in your comments you are so full of your self you do not want to retract them.Do not think for one minute that by mentioning the STF that i will back down , i will always back the taxi drivers who get a raw deal from councils and comments like yours just help councils to shxt all over us. :x


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