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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 1:56 pm 
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The situation is pretty much the same in Aberdeen. Has been since 1995.
Those with plates before 1995 can continue to run and replace saloon taxis ad infinitum. The council even allow the holders to pass the plate from father to son, mother to daughter etc.
Many of these plates are rented out to the owners of saloon taxis who otherwise would have to licence a WAV. Hardly any saloon licences get returned these days.
At £50 - £75 a week for someone elses plate, it's a nice pension top up for those involved.

The situation for those who got their plates after 1995 is very different.
They must licence a WAV, regardless of whether they are able to load wheelchairs or not. No exceptions.

This policy was considered reasonable by the Court of Sesion BTW.


Sorry Gus.....I was responding to a post before I read your reply.

Reading through your post, I better appreciate your view in respect of a lot of previous posts......where we've disagreed.

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Of course, Dundee council could always get entirely p*ssed off with the mixed fleet scenario and go 100% WAV. But thats a scenario that hasnt been brought into the equasion.


I think it just has........

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gusmac wrote:
The situation is pretty much the same in Aberdeen. Has been since 1995.
Those with plates before 1995 can continue to run and replace saloon taxis ad infinitum. The council even allow the holders to pass the plate from father to son, mother to daughter etc.
Many of these plates are rented out to the owners of saloon taxis who otherwise would have to licence a WAV. Hardly any saloon licences get returned these days.
At £50 - £75 a week for someone elses plate, it's a nice pension top up for those involved.

The situation for those who got their plates after 1995 is very different.
They must licence a WAV, regardless of whether they are able to load wheelchairs or not. No exceptions.

This policy was considered reasonable by the Court of Sesion BTW.


Do people rent out plates with no vehicle attached in Aberdeen too?

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captain cab wrote:
gusmac wrote:
The situation is pretty much the same in Aberdeen. Has been since 1995.
Those with plates before 1995 can continue to run and replace saloon taxis ad infinitum. The council even allow the holders to pass the plate from father to son, mother to daughter etc.
Many of these plates are rented out to the owners of saloon taxis who otherwise would have to licence a WAV. Hardly any saloon licences get returned these days.
At £50 - £75 a week for someone elses plate, it's a nice pension top up for those involved.

The situation for those who got their plates after 1995 is very different.
They must licence a WAV, regardless of whether they are able to load wheelchairs or not. No exceptions.

This policy was considered reasonable by the Court of Sesion BTW.


Do people rent out plates with no vehicle attached in Aberdeen too?

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Oh yes..........

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Oh yes..........


How can that be allowed......does the law allow it?

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Oh yes..........


How can that be allowed......does the law allow it?

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No, it's illegal.......but it's rife all the same.

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CC What has hired plates got to do with disabled drivers The DTA and myself have fought to have hired plated taken of the road and as you know it is the police who deal with this matter.

This is not just a situation that will effect Dundee it will effect drivers all over the country drivers that you represent so can you just please answer the following Questions.

1 if one of your members who operates in a town our city that has a mixed fleet and is only allowed to licence a wav becomes unable to assist wheelchair passengers are you saying that an exemption is sufficient even though able body drivers are licensing saloons. :?:


I think you veiws is not what the NTA represent and i think you are to stubborn to say you might have been to quick to make comment hence the reason i a so upset espeacially as i have always repected your veiws and comments and know you do a lot of work for the trade but in your words you have pished on your chips eusasmiles.zip


I didnt know the police did applications, pardon my ignorance.

I think the exemption provided for in the law has been put there for good reason and that reason is one you have found in Dundee.

In my view it is more important for the driver to be able to be at work earning a living with the exemption.

I think I made a valid point and it's a point that doesn't sit well with yourself because its the way the rest of the country operate, you know this as do the union.

I do wonder about the reasoning for pushing this to court though, although I'm sure they'll come out in the wash.

From what I can gather the driver in question already has a vehicle, indeed this vehicle maybe a Doblo, which is more a saloon vehicle than a purpose built taxi anyway, indeed, they are as cheap as saloons.

Nevertheless the owner driver has difficulty in assisting wheelchair passengers.

There is exemption provided for in the act, yet rather than push for an exemption your association and the union are pushing for him to go to court to obtain a saloon plate.

You seem to be suggesting the only type of work a WAV can do is wheelchair work, when in fact the wheelchair work is only a minute fraction of the work carried out by the vehicle on a daily basis.

Naturally, if the council capitulate or court grant this driver a saloon plate there will be a precident set, particularly if it goes to High Court. If this is the case I confidently predict many WAV owners or new applicants with disabilities to apply for saloon licenses.

Which when considering the amount of bitching about deregulation and the number of taxis in the area imakes this apprach more bizarre to say the least.

Of course, Dundee council could always get entirely p*ssed off with the mixed fleet scenario and go 100% WAV. But thats a scenario that hasnt been brought into the equasion.

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Look its quite simple answer the question

1 if one of your members who operates in a town our city that has a mixed fleet and is only allowed to licence a wav becomes unable to assist wheelchair passengers are you saying that an exemption is sufficient even though able body drivers are licensing saloons. :?:

By not answering the question and nit picking on my post (I didn't know the police did applications, pardon my ignorance.)
about the police you are really shown your self up .


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stationtone wrote:

Look its quite simple answer the question

1 if one of your members who operates in a town our city that has a mixed fleet and is only allowed to licence a wav becomes unable to assist wheelchair passengers are you saying that an exemption is sufficient even though able body drivers are licensing saloons. :?:

By not answering the question and nit picking on my post (I didn't know the police did applications, pardon my ignorance.)
about the police you are really shown your self up .


I did answer your question.

I said it was more important that the driver should be driving, I personally wouldnt support a move to get him a saloon plate, but then that's NOT my decision....its a view.

And dont be funny.......the Rozzers dont do applications in England.

I think this case is less about the person concerned and more about people wanting to retain saloons. The more the percentage of saloons, the stronger the case to retain them I guess.

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I said it was more important that the driver should be driving, I personally wouldn't support a move to get him a saloon plate, but then that's NOT my decision....its a view
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thank you that's all i wanted to know and i am sure every driver who is worried about what might happen to them in the future who is thinking about joining an association .

I would also like to point out that you had been miss informed about the driver he does not own a doblo but a tx which is a 2003 plate and needing to be replaced.

I would also like to point out i do not have a saloon licence or a wav licence my views are from being a driver .


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thank you that's all i wanted to know and i am sure every driver who is worried about what might happen to them in the future who is thinking about joining an association .
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What has that got to do with anything?

I offered a view.

It is a view that you disagree with, as others do.

Yet you have chosen to throw your toys out of the pram and flip your lid.

By using the following, despite of knowing I dont speak on behalf of the NTA;

no sympathy from the NTA

i will let NTA members decide if you are fit to represent them

CC you have certainly shown you true colours

As I said before, I think there is an ulterior motive behind all of this, one day we will find out.

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So lets get this right;

This guy has a disability that makes him unable to carry out wheelchair work.

There is an exemption available through the same equality act you are citing, which will still offer him the ability to work and not do wheelchair jobs.

Current rules in Dundee mean he will have to buy an M1 approved vehicle when his cab needs replaced. But Dundee has no age policy so he could buy an M1 approved cab of any age.

I thought this thread was about the guy having the right to work, a right that isn't actually being denied to him, because in so far as I am aware, he hasn't actually applied for that right.

It seems to me this thing is about him getting a saloon plate and opening the door to others to get the same plates.

And I'm the one being vilified?

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If there are, as suggested numerous saloon taxi owners, who dont in fact own vehicles but merely rent plates out as a seperate entity, then I find this fact far more offensive than any comment I could have made. These people in my view are leeches.

And isn't that illegal up there?

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And isn't that illegal up there?


It's not a illegal as we've been led to believe :lol:

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If there are, as suggested numerous saloon taxi owners, who dont in fact own vehicles but merely rent plates out as a seperate entity, then I find this fact far more offensive than any comment I could have made. These people in my view are leeches.

And isn't that illegal up there?


Yes it is, thats why i said that it is the police who should be dealing with it, it is also become a apparent that it is a situation that is hard to prove.


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So lets get this right;

This guy has a disability that makes him unable to carry out wheelchair work.

There is an exemption available through the same equality act you are citing, which will still offer him the ability to work and not do wheelchair jobs.

Current rules in Dundee mean he will have to buy an M1 approved vehicle when his cab needs replaced. But Dundee has no age policy so he could buy an M1 approved cab of any age.

I thought this thread was about the guy having the right to work, a right that isn't actually being denied to him, because in so far as I am aware, he hasn't actually applied for that right.

It seems to me this thing is about him getting a saloon plate and opening the door to others to get the same plates.

And I'm the one being vilified?

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Right I will start from the beginning and maybe you will understand that there was no hidden agenda.
Mr Matthew applied for a saloon plate because of his disability at his hearing he provide x-rays of his legs and letters from doctors to prove his disability to show the council that he was not taking the mickey.He also told the committee that he was having to explain himself to wheelchair users and was always getting told that he was going to be reported. They refused him because they said that no more saloon licences would be granted but that he should apply for a variation to his wav licence that he holds. He was also told at that time that no exemption certificate stickers would be granted and that he should show the letter from the council that explains his situation .It was subsequently discovered that he should have been giving an exemption because section 35 of the DDA would have allowed this.
Mr Matthew then applied for a variation of his wav licence; he had heard no word for 6 months so thought that it should be automatically granted because of the 6 months rule. Hence the reason why I posted a question about this on TDO and was grateful for Gusmacs reply. The council then said that he 6 months rule did not apply to a variation.
This is when he went for his free consultation with the T&G solicitor and asked them to find out about the 6 months rule, they then came back to him and said that there is a case for discrimination and that they would take up his case. I am not sure if because of the Equality bill coming into effect on the 1st of October 2010 but they said they had a good case.

The court case was meant to be for the 18th Jan but the council have said that they do not want to go to court.

So I find it hard to believe that the consequences and repercussions were realized from the start when Mr Matthews approached the council. I do believe now thou that it will have a significant bearing on what happens in Dundee and possible everywhere else. Other drivers in Bruce’s position or anyone who finds themselves in that position in the future will not have to go through the same thing if he wins his case.
So CC if this was someone who you represented would your views still be the same or would you back him up.


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