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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:27 pm 
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How many drivers out there new that section 35 of the DDA applied to disabled drivers it only mentions drivers being exempt from taking guide dogs . The Equality bill makes it much clearer and has only become legislation.
By trying to make me and the DTA, T&G look silly just makes my case against you being unsympathetic to disabled drivers more clearer.
You of all people should know the problems we have with this council and how we fight tooth and nail to make our job better but because you will not admit to be wrong you will try and belittle everyone who disagrees with you.


so i ask you again if this was someone who you represented would your views still be the same or would you back him up. yes or no


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Didn't I read somewhere from a few years ago that a large company in Dundee bought an awful lot of WAV's?

TX2's I think......I'm sure it was in the national press.

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How many drivers out there new that section 35 of the DDA applied to disabled drivers it only mentions drivers being exempt from taking guide dogs . The Equality bill makes it much clearer and has only become legislation.
By trying to make me and the DTA, T&G look silly just makes my case against you being unsympathetic to disabled drivers more clearer.
You of all people should know the problems we have with this council and how we fight tooth and nail to make our job better but because you will not admit to be wrong you will try and belittle everyone who disagrees with you.


so i ask you again if this was someone who you represented would your views still be the same or would you back him up. yes or no


Utter rubbish.......I asked a question and you flipped your lid.

Exemptions have been around for years.

If your association didnt know about them then that isnt my fault.

In actual fact I have assisted numerous people in getting and retaining licenses nationally.

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yes but got them repossessed :D


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How many drivers out there new that section 35 of the DDA applied to disabled drivers it only mentions drivers being exempt from taking guide dogs . The Equality bill makes it much clearer and has only become legislation.
By trying to make me and the DTA, T&G look silly just makes my case against you being unsympathetic to disabled drivers more clearer.
You of all people should know the problems we have with this council and how we fight tooth and nail to make our job better but because you will not admit to be wrong you will try and belittle everyone who disagrees with you.


so i ask you again if this was someone who you represented would your views still be the same or would you back him up. yes or no


Utter rubbish.......I asked a question and you flipped your lid.

Exemptions have been around for years.

If your association didnt know about them then that isnt my fault.

In actual fact I have assisted numerous people in getting and retaining licenses nationally.

CC


so i ask you again if this was someone who you represented would your views still be the same or would you back him up. yes or no


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I don't see the point of somebody who cannot assist/load wheelchair users having a WAV, but, if that person already has a WAV then why are they not happy just to have an exemption certificate.


Presumably the point is the same as the reasoning as to why Toots doesn't run a WAV, or 99% of the UK's private cars don't either, come to that :?


You have no idea what I do or did so don't pressume, nor do you know why I don't do things either


So why don't you tell the forum why you don't run a WAV rather than being all mysterious about it?

For the vast majority of drivers it's simple, as it is for private car owners - I mean, which private car owner runs a WAV unless they have to? :roll:

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I know for a fact TX_op has a bad back and a Nissan Bluebird in the drive :lol:

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stationtone wrote:
yes but got them repossessed :D


So there's no multi plate holders in dundee now who have WAV's?

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so i ask you again if this was someone who you represented would your views still be the same or would you back him up. yes or no


You asked the question before, and I answered it.

It is not my decision to make, it is the members of the association.

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says it all :D


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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
But I don't know whether it will be transferable as a saloon Hackney, unless the person it is being transferred to is also disabled.


Er, plates aren't transferable in Scotland, unless an Edinburgh-esque scam is perpetrated.

You should visit the Scottish section more often :wink:

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That's as may be, but I am sure the council will set conditions on the transfer of the licence; it will have to revert back to a WAV on transfer to an able-bodied licensed driver.


Plates are non transferrable !


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I find it quite amazing, considering all UK associations and trades unions were heavily involved with DPTAC that nobody in Dundee was aware of section 36 of the DDA.

subsection 7 onwards covers exemptions

(7)If the licensing authority is satisfied that it is appropriate to exempt a person from the duties imposed by this section—.

(a)on medical grounds, or.

(b)on the ground that his physical condition makes it impossible or unreasonably difficult for him to comply with the duties imposed on drivers by this section,.

it shall issue him with a certificate of exemption.

(8.)A certificate of exemption shall be issued for such period as may be specified in the certificate..

(9)The driver of a regulated taxi is exempt from the duties imposed by this section if—.

(a)a certificate of exemption issued to him under this section is in force; and.

(b)the prescribed notice of his exemption is exhibited on the taxi in the prescribed manner..

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I think Captain Cabs assessment on all of this is pretty much bang on the button.

The union's strategy is not so much about letting the guy have a saloon plate as consolidating the existing saloon fleet. Of course, there's a slight contradiction there, and as Captain Cab says it might all blow up in their faces if the council got fed up and specified all WAV. So perhaps the saloon fleet could end up with WAVs and Bruce is one of the few with a saloon plate.

Incidentally, the point about the exemption is surely that it's for the driver, not the vehicle, but obviously he would prefer to run a saloon, as would all the other drivers.

And what is the relevance of the more or less identical Dundee case from a year or two back - didn't he get his exemption but the council said that the vehicle had to be a WAV because it might be driven by someone else?

What happened to that case, or is this the same one?

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You are not getting it its not about getting an exemption so no matter how many times you mention it it will not make you feel better, its about a disabled driver having to put a wav on in a mixed fleet town when he is not able to assist wheel chair passengers.


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