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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 3:03 pm 
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Oh, look up the word 'minicab' on the www.

Lots of ,erm, intresting comments from non-taxi trade people.

As i said, the minicab trade in London will take years to gain respect, and yes Mr Blobby, the Licensed Taxi Trade will still be there at No.1.
Remember, leave on the left Green Lanes ....... :wink:


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 3:19 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
I don't think Red Ken realises that national PH laws allow any licensed PH to work anywhere in the country.

Thus he can ban as many as he likes in London, but it will make no difference at all. All they have to do is get Bristol or Leeds licenses (both license PH motor bikes), and they can work London to their hearts content.


Yes, thats correct sussex, now this may work for the larger contracts, but i can't see Mr Smith of Hackney, who wants a minicab to his local Sainsburys, being overly happy with calling a bristol firm.

How would they have cars located locally to Mr Smith? London's a bit slow moving place.

Now Blobby tells me all the small local companys will fade away.

I've no problem with that, it wins back the local work for the local taxi's (see the LTDA newpaper for local taxi groups) and i can't see Addison Lee wanting to service the above, their MINIMUM fare is £7 (seven)

So it could be good news all round?

As you are no doubt aware amended legislation is being pushed through as we scribe, it may address the above.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 3:25 pm 
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And if they have long contracts with their clients, they wont even need a license in the first place.

But of course Red Ken and the PCO know that already. :roll: :roll:


I know the new legislation does tackle the above, especially, as the above contracts you mention involve the carriage of children to and from schools.

Now that has to be essential and urgent.

I don't know what happen's in your area, but i'll bet, the local licensing office does not let any tom, dick or harry carry children around.


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You keep on trying to protect your closed shop.


The knowledge is open to one and all, all you have to do is apply yourself a little, so why is it a closed shop, expand Mr Blobby, no, not your waistline.

The only people who can't sign on are those who are criminal's or their status in GB does'nt permit them to do so.

So its not closed. :-|


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Doesn't the job have to start or finish within it's licensing area??

Some councils have PH licensing conditions that state a job should start or finish in their area. Such conditions will not stand up in court.

If I was a Plymouth PH, I could do a Mansfield to Liverpool job, and it would be entirely within current laws.

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Yes, thats correct sussex, now this may work for the larger contracts, but i can't see Mr Smith of Hackney, who wants a minicab to his local Sainsburys, being overly happy with calling a bristol firm.

The point I was saying was that the big firms could gain a PH ops license from where they license motor bikes, and run them as they do all their other vehicles.

Much in the way that Com Cab run their cars from a call center in Scotland.

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greenbadgecabby wrote:
As you are no doubt aware amended legislation is being pushed through as we scribe, it may address the above.

I hope the new legislation does rid us of exempt vehicles, but I have my doubts.

A little bit complicated, but unless the national exemptions in the 1976 Act are got rid of, then I still think it can be got around.

If Red Ken does away with the London PH Act exemption, then what's going to stop firms operating out of London, thus being exempt under the 1976 Act, working in London?

I told you it was complicated. :shock: :shock:

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 6:35 pm 
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I hope the new legislation does rid us of exempt vehicles, but I have my doubts.

A little bit complicated, but unless the national exemptions in the 1976 Act are got rid of, then I still think it can be got around.

If Red Ken does away with the London PH Act exemption, then what's going to stop firms operating out of London, thus being exempt under the 1976 Act, working in London?

I told you it was complicated. :shock: :shock:


Yep, i never underestimate the complex laws which we work around, but surely if Addison Lee for instance turned up in your Licensing area wishing to have 1500 PH pltes for their fleet, someone somewhere may question this? :?:


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Yep, i never underestimate the complex laws which we work around, but surely if Addison Lee for instance turned up in your Licensing area wishing to have 1500 PH pltes for their fleet, someone somewhere may question this? :?:

Providing they meet the council's vehicle criteria, they can license as many as they like. :shock:

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greenbadgecabby wrote:
Yep, i never underestimate the complex laws which we work around, but surely if Addison Lee for instance turned up in your Licensing area wishing to have 1500 PH pltes for their fleet, someone somewhere may question this? :?:

Providing they meet the council's vehicle criteria, they can license as many as they like. :shock:


Better hope they don't start up local bookings then!! :wink:


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Better hope they don't start up local bookings then!! :wink:

It all depends on how much their office rents are, and how much work they can get.

If they, or anyone else, is going to earn me more money, then bring them on. :wink:

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The knowledge is open to one and all, all you have to do is apply yourself a little, so why is it a closed shop, expand Mr Blobby, no, not your waistline.

The only people who can't sign on are those who are criminal's or their status in GB does'nt permit them to do so.

So its not closed.


It is closed by virtue of the fact that it takes a ludicrous 4 years to complete and makes the prospective candidate hopelessly overqualified for the job they need to do. Recent and future advances in GPS Navigation technology will render this knowledge unneccesary. This has already been acknowledged by Ken Livingstone and TFL. Oh and the joke about the wasteline - that was really funny.



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Ahh, another failed knowledge candidate who has to tout the streets.

You would not be makings assumptions here that have no foundation? Have I indicated anywhere that I have ever taken or desired to take the knowledge test or that I am an active London Private Hire Driver without a full licence or temporary permit?
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ALL the touts i see at work, and hear are from the former Eastern European states, or Africa, most of whom probably are asylum seekers who are not allowed to work, otherwise they could apply and become a real minicab driver.


It is in everyones interest to see the touts removed from our streets and by the way its London Private Hire Driver now - not Minicab.
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I guess your a lefty, sorry to wake you up from your beenbag, but people in this country can still have views and opinions, and use them, especially when thay are factual.


Actually I am slightly right of Genghis Khan and you are entitled to your opinion but lets keep it factual Eh

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Tell you what, heres a little challenge, hail a Licensed London Taxi, which is being driven by a Black or Asian driver, and there are lots, and then ask them what they think of the minicab trade. Then you will know what racist language sounds like.


Ask the same Licensed London Taxi Driver of any background what they were doing before being Black Cab Drivers and 50 % or more will tell you they had at some time been MiniCab drivers.

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The Taxi trade will NEVER be taken over by the minicab trade, and I think YOU know that.

Minicab driving in London is not a career, its a job until something better comes along.

Ask Addison Lee what their turnover rate is? I think it may surprise you.


Find out what Addison Lee annual turnover is? I think that may surprise you.

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The vast majority of Licensed Taxi drivers do it for a lifetime career.


True and many of them try doing it in the same cab they started with.

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We should have a sister site, minicab drivers online, it could be in Nigerian, Kosovan etc etc. All the best places to tout, carry out indecent assaults, downloadable Insurance documents, what think you admin staff? possible?


Or how about www.greenbadgebigots.co.uk

Real bigots can be distinguished from mere partisans
or zealots by the fact that they refuse to learn alternatives
even when the march of time and/or technology is threatening
to obsolete the favoured tool. It is truly said "You can tell
a bigot, but you can't tell him much"


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blobby wrote:
Or how about www.greenbadgebigots.co.uk

Real bigots can be distinguished from mere partisans
or zealots by the fact that they refuse to learn alternatives
even when the march of time and/or technology is threatening
to obsolete the favoured tool. It is truly said "You can tell
a bigot, but you can't tell him much"


Well all of that has really convinced me!

A minicab driver that can spell, read English, even quite articulate!

Still, keep trying, the Knowledge will come to you one day, until then keep that pocket money rolling in!

Oh, my reference to Addison Lee was about the turnover of drivers, not their finances. One would think their finances are in good shape as their MINIMUM fare is £7, and remember Mr Minicab, no touting on the streets!


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blobby wrote:
It is closed by virtue of the fact that it takes a ludicrous 4 years to complete and makes the prospective candidate hopelessly overqualified for the job they need to do. Recent and future advances in GPS Navigation technology will render this knowledge unneccesary. This has already been acknowledged by Ken Livingstone and TFL. Oh and the joke about the wasteline - that was really funny.


4 years, that's an intresting figure, tell us all where you got it from?

I completed it in 2 yrs and 6 months, most of the Butterboys i chat to nowadays take about 3 yrs.

Technology, as it has demonstrated so many times before with various dept's, such as Passports, Exam results will never replace the Human mind, hence the Knowledge continues.

Sat nav may compliment the Taxi, indeed I posses one for those out of town trips, but in town, no trust me I know the best routes, where the traffic will be queing, where the bendy buses get stuck every night, where the Lorrys deliver and block The Strand on certain Days . . .the list could go on, and that my blobby friend is why Sat-nav will never replace the London licensed Taxi Driver.

If you call yourself 'Blobby' it is fair to assume you may be on the lardy side?

Pity you did'nt see the funny side, maybe you need an injection of 'cockney humour'

A 'London Private hire Driver' very impressive, however respect for the minicab trade will take years to re-build, sorry but 30 years of being unregulated doe'snt get fixed overnight with a new title. :wink:


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Have I indicated anywhere that I have ever taken or desired to take the knowledge test or that I am an active London Private Hire Driver without a full licence or temporary permit?


Nope, but pray tell Mr Blobby where do you work, and what line of work do you do? Enlighten us.

Oh your web site about green badge taxi drivers being bigots does not respond, I'd do some maintenance on it if I were you. . . . . :mrgreen:


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