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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:47 pm 
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YOU CAN SPEND A COUPLE OF HUNDRED ON A WAV AND PLATE IT FOR FREE.

on 3 forums I have resd these arguments they never end, are continual and will always be so.

would be better, if people could understand that your data base is for restricted authorities only, I could give you some prices for taxis in outer areas of calderdale derestricted, would be dishonest, as these vehicles have bundles of work with them.

stick to it John.


lol I've resisted the angel for some time now, but both you and sussex have eluded to what I was thinking. You can pay a couple of grand or less for a wav and plate it for free, so why pay an extra ten grand for a plate that is worthless. His argument doesn't hold water and I can't understand why he persists on trying to claim it does.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:48 pm 
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Gateshead Angel wrote:
Maybe Mr Foster should recieve one of JD's oscars for introducing us all to each other, and starting what we all enjoy so much, online taxi forums on this scale.

I more than second that. =D>



the old school tie eh?
would devalue the oscars to give them to just anybody?

how about the merits of vince Chan, who started the first taxi forum

and Jamie, who kept it going, they did not seek to damage others sites like Alan did.

believe his site is now advertising fast tan, so vested interest here!


The first isn't always the best, the point is www.thetaxiforums.co.uk was head and shoulders above anything else online and its downfall was instrumental in the formation of this site.
This site has took up its torch and the future of forum based websites is currently within these pages.

I challenged Sussex and Dusty to start their own when they made critisisms of what we were trying to do, they did and they gained my respect, although we still disagree we accept that one will fight their corner as hard as the other, its about passion mate.

With regard Alan Foster, what he sacrificed to provide you with an "oppertunity" to voice your opinion you will never know, but I know and so does Sussex, Dusty and Alex and everyone else who has dedicated themselves to providing a free service to complete strangers, who in most cases acknowledge their efforts with respect, something you are yet to show.

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I have started a new thread with all the thetaxiforums stuff on.

http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/vie ... php?t=1409

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 7:05 pm 
Yes Michael you are right, I have yet to show, of course Sussex and Dusty were able to see mistakes, and make a better forum and I think its the best to date.

It has though gone backward, the monthly news slots were good if biased, I am sorry it was dropped.

they have cut out the requirement to ring to get a bollocking, (from Alans)
the need to stick to a strict code, of keeping within site policy(yours)

so yes the time may come when I will need to take my turn, perhaps who knows with JD, WHAT A site that will be, restricted authority plate values, news. policy think tanks, influential lobbying at parlementary and council levels,

examination of new experiments taking place all over the place, examination of equipment available.

never been mentioned but Cheltnam taxibus had bought some TX2 vehicles, Cheltenham cars ownd airport carz. I have mentioned it on here should we not be examining the dangers here?

but nobody wants to debate this cos the price of old saloons in Gateshead gets the space

WAKE UP GENTLEMEN.


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Alex wrote:
I have started a new thread with all the thetaxiforums stuff on.

http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/vie ... php?t=1409

Alex


New thread looks good, I think it deserved a thread of its own.

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JD


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never been mentioned but Cheltnam taxibus had bought some TX2 vehicles, Cheltenham cars ownd airport carz. I have mentioned it on here should we not be examining the dangers here?

but nobody wants to debate this cos the price of old saloons in Gateshead gets the space

WAKE UP GENTLEMEN.

Fully awake we are. :shock:

Tue Jan 18, 2005 9:43 pm-onwards
http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/vie ... 13&start=0

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Yes Michael you are right, I have yet to show, of course Sussex and Dusty were able to see mistakes, and make a better forum and I think its the best to date.

It has though gone backward, the monthly news slots were good if biased, I am sorry it was dropped.

they have cut out the requirement to ring to get a bollocking, (from Alans)
the need to stick to a strict code, of keeping within site policy(yours)

so yes the time may come when I will need to take my turn, perhaps who knows with JD, WHAT A site that will be, restricted authority plate values, news. policy think tanks, influential lobbying at parlementary and council levels,

examination of new experiments taking place all over the place, examination of equipment available.

never been mentioned but Cheltnam taxibus had bought some TX2 vehicles, Cheltenham cars ownd airport carz. I have mentioned it on here should we not be examining the dangers here?

but nobody wants to debate this cos the price of old saloons in Gateshead gets the space

WAKE UP GENTLEMEN.


Powerful stuff Yorkie, true Yorkshire grit perculating to the top? lol.

With regard to Airportcarz, there was no response from the Transport Commissioner as of two days ago. It could be argued that the longer she deliberates the more promising it looks for the taxi trade but who knows?

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JD


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 7:27 pm 
jOHN i AM STARTING A NEW THREAD i WILL SEE YOU THERE.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 4:14 am 
JD wrote:
lol I've resisted the angel for some time now, but both you and sussex have eluded to what I was thinking. You can pay a couple of grand or less for a wav and plate it for free, so why pay an extra ten grand for a plate that is worthless. His argument doesn't hold water and I can't understand why he persists on trying to claim it does.

Best wishes

JD


So are you suggesting that saloon plates in Gateshead are not fetching £10k on the basis that a shed of a WAV can be licensed in Gateshead and recieve a plate for free.

You need to get a grip, if a true list of plate values is to be produced it must include every area where a premium is saught for a licence as the only reason plate premiums exist is because of restrictions, if a council choose to maintain a restriction on vehicle type and derestrict vehicles of another type they are still maintaining a policy of restriction and are therefore still supporting premiums.

If you intend this list to prove that plate values ONLY exist in areas where total derestriction is implimented, then any findings you take from the list are false.

I repeat myself again, councils who have derestricted in the main, have allowed applications for WAV only, they have maintained their restrictions of saloon cars and because of that restriction those plates have value. Therefore your claims that derestricted councils have wiped out plate premiums are unfounded and are only mean't to mislead.

Phone any office in Gateshead and ask how much a saloon plate is, you can find loads listed on www.yell.com.

B. Lucky :twisted:


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Gateshead Angel wrote:
JD wrote:
lol I've resisted the angel for some time now, but both you and sussex have eluded to what I was thinking. You can pay a couple of grand or less for a wav and plate it for free, so why pay an extra ten grand for a plate that is worthless. His argument doesn't hold water and I can't understand why he persists on trying to claim it does.

Best wishes

JD


So are you suggesting that saloon plates in Gateshead are not fetching £10k on the basis that a shed of a WAV can be licensed in Gateshead and recieve a plate for free.


Well you have a choice, you either pay two grand for a shed of a Wav, or two grand for a shed of a car. I would be pretty stupid to pay two grand, plus ten grand, for a 2 grand car, now wouldn't I? Especially when I can take that 12 grand and perhaps buy a half decent WAV which would no doubt out-live the working life of the two grand car.

Besides who wants punters sat beside them? That partition gives you a lot of added security, even though it might not be impregnable, it can sometimes give you those priceless extra seconds when confronted with a potentially volatile situation.

JD


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 10:25 am 
There are more reasons why people want a saloon in preferance to a WAV than that.

The first thing I think you should do is try to disprove my claims, then when you find out that I'm telling you the truth you should look to include all plate values in derestricted areas as well as restricted ones.

You see JD its far easier to defend what others would percieve to be the shortcomings of this list within the pages of these forums.

B. Lucky :twisted:


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 12:27 pm 
I tell you what JD, stick to your little list of lies and misleading intentions as you have absolutely no knowledge whatsoever of what makes taxidrivers tick.

Purchases of vehicles for use as a HC or PH is dramatically different than you suggest.

Economics of the initial purchase are rarely considered.

What matters to the professional driver is the economy of running the vehicle. The considerations, in no particular order are, insurance, fuel economy, servicing costs, tyre cost, comfort, prestige to name just a few.
Then we look at "personal" transport as the investment of any vehicle is generally the second biggest investment we all make, the vehicle we use for work also becomes the family car in many cases.

When all these things are considered, many drivers choose a saloon and where available as a HC their numbers are always restricted so if a driver wants one they still have to pay the premium.

This trade is not as black and white as you make out, but you wouldn't know that would you.

B. Lucky :twisted:


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 12:30 pm 
Gateshead Angel wrote:
JD wrote:
lol I've resisted the angel for some time now, but both you and sussex have eluded to what I was thinking. You can pay a couple of grand or less for a wav and plate it for free, so why pay an extra ten grand for a plate that is worthless. His argument doesn't hold water and I can't understand why he persists on trying to claim it does.

Best wishes

JD


So are you suggesting that saloon plates in Gateshead are not fetching £10k on the basis that a shed of a WAV can be licensed in Gateshead and recieve a plate for free.

You need to get a grip, if a true list of plate values is to be produced it must include every area where a premium is saught for a licence as the only reason plate premiums exist is because of restrictions, if a council choose to maintain a restriction on vehicle type and derestrict vehicles of another type they are still maintaining a policy of restriction and are therefore still supporting premiums.

If you intend this list to prove that plate values ONLY exist in areas where total derestriction is implimented, then any findings you take from the list are false.

I repeat myself again, councils who have derestricted in the main, have allowed applications for WAV only, they have maintained their restrictions of saloon cars and because of that restriction those plates have value. Therefore your claims that derestricted councils have wiped out plate premiums are unfounded and are only mean't to mislead.

Phone any office in Gateshead and ask how much a saloon plate is, you can find loads listed on www.yell.com.

B. Lucky :twisted:


Saloon plates in Mansfield are fetching £11,000.


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There are more reasons why people want a saloon in preferance to a WAV than that.


Yes but do they want to pay 12 grand for a 2 grand clapped out saloon?


Obviously you would. It is rather obvious that I wouldn't. So to me your two grand saloon with its ten grand plate attached, is worthless. Get the picture?

If you can find a sucker to pay ten grand for something he can get for free then by all means do so but don't try and tell me your plate is worth ten grand because to most people with a brain it is not.

If gateshead had Quality policy of a new wav, then perhaps existing saloon plates would retain a small premium but it would only be small. There is of course a leveling out proccess where it becomes unviable to purchase a saloon plate at prohibited prices. In the case of Gateshead that doesn't apply because they don't have a quality vehicle policy. You may hope to convince others that your saloon car plates carry a premium but I'm afraid you will never convince me.

JD


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 7:39 pm 
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Gateshead Angel wrote:
There are more reasons why people want a saloon in preferance to a WAV than that.


Yes but do they want to pay 12 grand for a 2 grand clapped out saloon?


Obviously you would. It is rather obvious that I wouldn't. So to me your two grand saloon with its ten grand plate attached, is worthless. Get the picture?

If you can find a sucker to pay ten grand for something he can get for free then by all means do so but don't try and tell me your plate is worth ten grand because to most people with a brain it is not.

If gateshead had Quality policy of a new wav, then perhaps existing saloon plates would retain a small premium but it would only be small. There is of course a leveling out proccess where it becomes unviable to purchase a saloon plate at prohibited prices. In the case of Gateshead that doesn't apply because they don't have a quality vehicle policy. You may hope to convince others that your saloon car plates carry a premium but I'm afraid you will never convince me.

JD


I don't need to convince you, I have said phone any PH operator in Gateshead and they will confirm what I have stated on here, your failure to check out what I'm saying is more evidence that you seek to mislead people with your list.

Your pompous attitude within this thread will discredit the wise words you post.

I don't want to post company names or numbers so just go to www.yell.com type in taxis in Gateshead pick a few give them a ring and ask them if saloon HC plates have a value and what that value is.

You [edited by admin] won't though for fear of being proved wrong, go on do it I dare you.

Maybe someone else would like to do it for JD, I'll even pay for the calls through Paypal if people are worried about the cost.

B. Lucky :twisted:


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