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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 3:09 pm 
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wannabeeahack wrote:
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we have now about 800 private hire vehicles here in aylesbury.
If he drops of a heathrow job he won't get the next as now they have pda systems so it will go to who's next on the list.


you mean if theres a LHR-Aylesbury arrived and ready he has to drive back empty?...


And all 800 have to return to base between jobs.

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Why else would they (and other cars) need to be in the main street if they have no pre-booked job?

Because they have dropped off there and know their next pre-booked job will come from there.

That's how the PH trade works.


What? Outside of a club on a taxi rank, whilst chatting to people with the window down?

Aye, of course, silly me!


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fair enough if a person gets into the private hire an assumes its a taxi but its not that its that they ask people do you need a taxi and I think that's wrong,
When we had a meeting with the council the council pointed out that after a hack drops a job off they go back to rank, so after a private hire does a drop off they should go back to base so they done a servey with the public an 84% said that's fair so the council said this back to base rule should start taking place by end of 2012.
But even if the rule takes place I don't think it will last.


So based on this, if a PH in your area get a job to say Heathrow airport dropping of at say 13:00 and he has a booking from Heathrow at say 13:30. The driver has to return to base in between?


No.

At Heathrow he would have to go to the car parks or leave the plot until that fare was booked.

But when that same driver drops at a busy high street venue, there's nothing stopping that driver moving to a side street out of the road, but they don't, because at some point someones going to walk up and use them as a licensed Taxi, and they know it.

Even more so if they're hanging it up near to or on a licensed taxi rank.

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maybe PRIVATE hire cars should be PRIVATE-looking, no signs, rooflights, plates/stickers or signage...

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wannabeeahack wrote:
maybe PRIVATE hire cars should be PRIVATE-looking, no signs, rooflights, plates/stickers or signage...



I agree.

A rear plate and driver identity should be sufficient, as you say it's Private Hire, not Public Hire.


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yes I agree with that they should ntt have any stickers or any private hite plate they should look like normal cars,
if you Come into town at night they are parked on our ranks not letting us que up and now even on the station rank they park up an ask people if they want a taxi, its embarrasing how many people say to our drivers that private hire say 'you want a taxi ill let the operator know I picked you up so you'll be booked' that's why we an council think they should return back to base as if they do that they take away our trade.


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we have now about 800 private hire vehicles here in aylesbury.

And not enough taxis.

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maybe PRIVATE hire cars should be PRIVATE-looking, no signs, rooflights, plates/stickers or signage...


Yeah of course they should and then see how many drunken females get into private cars cos they can't tell the difference between Joe Perves PH and the proper licensed PH. PH has as much right to be seen as taxis do and so long as they work within the law, which most of them do, then there isn't a problem

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at night they are parked on our ranks not letting us que up and now even on the station rank they park up an ask people if they want a taxi, its embarrasing how many people say to our drivers that private hire say 'you want a taxi ill let the operator know I picked you up so you'll be booked' that's why we an council think they should return back to base as if they do that they take away our trade.


The problem isn't the fact that the PH don't go back to base it's cos the LO's aren't performing any enforcement. If the PH are on the ranks they should be moved off and dealt with now and if it's not done now then it won't be done in 2012 when they are supposed to return to base. How big are the ph companies there and if they are larger than 10 cars per company have they got enough car park spaces for them? I know for a fact that if all the cars at Delta in Sefton returned to base there would be major parking problems.

Enforcement is your problem just like it is here. We have taxis ranked all over the place where there's no ranks, but, there happens to be a popular pub or restaurant. Neither side of the trade is without fault so I think you can stop polishing your halo now O:) :wink:

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toots wrote:
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maybe PRIVATE hire cars should be PRIVATE-looking, no signs, rooflights, plates/stickers or signage...


Yeah of course they should and then see how many drunken females get into private cars cos they can't tell the difference between Joe Perves PH and the proper licensed PH.


In my years experience drunk females would get into a car with a roofsign marked up 'Rape Cars R us'

They don't give a [edited by admin] what vehicle they get into as long as they can get home for 30p.

What the removal of 'taxi' lookalike signs does acheive though, is the sober people thinking a PH car is a Taxi available for public hire and the significant minority of PH drivers using that to their full advantage to steal work.

Private Hire is just that, a contract between a pre booked punter and an operator who in 2010 are well in the position to tell a customer who and what is picking them up.

Instead, throughout the length and breadth of this country people are being 'conned' into hailing what they believe is a genuine taxi when it's not.

Thats why Minicabs in London are being made to have one plate on the rear, and no more stickers to the front or doors.

Now if 70'000 Minicabs in the capital manage without roof signs, door signs, adverts, then I'm sure 800 provincial Minicabs will manage just dandyo in Aylesbury.


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GBC......according to Mr Griffen, there aint a problem with minicabs in London. :D

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Thats because he never comes out at 1am when his drivers are doing exactly what this thread is about.

Taxee boss?

The difference being Griffens Minicab drivers really do think they're licensed Taxis. :roll:


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Now if 70'000 Minicabs in the capital manage without roof signs, door signs, adverts, then I'm sure 800 provincial Minicabs will manage just dandyo in Aylesbury.


So now you're suggesting that there is no longer a problem in the capital with the minicabs 'stealing' your work :?

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but Toots, the drunk females wont have pre-booked will they, they wont be able to focus on "ADVANCE BOOKINGS ONLY"

it says taxi to them

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wannabeeahack wrote:
but Toots, the drunk females wont have pre-booked will they, they wont be able to focus on "ADVANCE BOOKINGS ONLY"

it says taxi to them


Won't they have pre booked before they got drunk? Next the taxis will be crying cos the punters get them mixed up with pizza delivery vehicles

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toots wrote:
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Now if 70'000 Minicabs in the capital manage without roof signs, door signs, adverts, then I'm sure 800 provincial Minicabs will manage just dandyo in Aylesbury.


So now you're suggesting that there is no longer a problem in the capital with the minicabs 'stealing' your work :?


No. I never said that, I said that the biggest PH operation in the UK (Europe?) manages to operate without all these 'taxi lookalike' signs / stickers. They must, their numbers go up and up.

You'll never stop all touting, but it'll stop the majority of people walking up to them thinking they're legitimate taxis, and it'll help those in the significant minority (majority in London?) ween themselves of the belief they're licensed taxis available for public and instant hire, and perhaps remind them they're Private Hire waiting on people phoning their offices which in turn will despatch work to them, and even, maybe . . tell the waiting customer what vehicle is coming to pick them up?

You never know, it may work.


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