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but Toots, the drunk females wont have pre-booked will they, they wont be able to focus on "ADVANCE BOOKINGS ONLY"

it says taxi to them


Won't they have pre booked before they got drunk? Next the taxis will be crying cos the punters get them mixed up with pizza delivery vehicles


well if theyve pre-booked why the moaning?

either they did, or they didnt, if they did its PH work at its legal best

and ive seen punters try to get in 1 sign written estate car after an Oasis gig

it was a forklift engineers company car

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Now if 70'000 Minicabs in the capital manage without roof signs, door signs, adverts, then I'm sure 800 provincial Minicabs will manage just dandyo in Aylesbury.


So now you're suggesting that there is no longer a problem in the capital with the minicabs 'stealing' your work :?


No. I never said that, I said that the biggest PH operation in the UK (Europe?) manages to operate without all these 'taxi lookalike' signs / stickers. They must, their numbers go up and up.

You'll never stop all touting, but it'll stop the majority of people walking up to them thinking they're legitimate taxis, and it'll help those in the significant minority (majority in London?) ween themselves of the belief they're licensed taxis available for public and instant hire, and perhaps remind them they're Private Hire waiting on people phoning their offices which in turn will despatch work to them, and even, maybe . . tell the waiting customer what vehicle is coming to pick them up?

You never know, it may work.


In my years of experience people only ever walk up to me at the busy weekend. We have already established that at these times people will get into anything so I don't think the door signs actually make that much difference. I'm have to say I'm a little pi$$ed off at always having taxis suggest that we should be hidden from view like some dirty little secret. I've seen pizza delivery vehicles look more like taxis than I do. Having said that I don't agree that PH should have roof signs cos I think that confuses the public. The problem they have in Alsbury is a lack of enforcement.

With regard to knowing what vehicle is picking you up our system will tell the customer what colour and what make the vehicle is and wihtout door signs we just have to hope there aren't two at the same place :wink:

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Toots, you really cant accept that PH signs+signage+rooflights are an attractant to a PH vehicle for those who dont care who gets them hom can you

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Toots, you really cant accept that PH signs+signage+rooflights are an attractant to a PH vehicle for those who dont care who gets them hom can you


Yes of course I accept that but it is more important that people can see the difference between ph and joe blogs vehicle and it is more important that people get into licensed vehicles and not into any vehicle that is waiting around. I do this job professionally and I don't pirate but I also have no desire to sit around in Liverpool city centre whilst my customer tries to find me cos I have no signs to let them know that the grey vehicle I'm in is the one they want and not the other four that happen to be there

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toots wrote:
We have already established that at these times people will get into anything so I don't think the door signs actually make that much difference.


I'm afraid I do.

We have established the travelling public cannot tell the difference between a Taxi and a PH out in saloon land, so IMHO the trade should be doing its part to help them get into the correct vehicle.

Having no signage that suggests the vehicle is a Taxi is a must. Pre booked punters, just like we do on Tweetalondoncab, will know the type of cab and part of the registration number long before I arrive, and we're a brand new driver run circuit.

You mentioned the Pizza cars with top lights, I agree, and I've seen folks in Letchworth trying to hail the two Dominos Pizza Nissan Micras, the difference being the Pizza drivers don't stop and take the punters.

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. I'm have to say I'm a little pi$$ed off at always having taxis suggest that we should be hidden from view like some dirty little secret.


I wasn't suggesting anything of the sort, but it never ceases to amaze me out of all the streets, back streets, alleyways, supermarket car parks, public car parks, in 'Anytown UK', the only place PH vehicles seem able to 'park up waiting on their next job' is right outside a busy venue, or railway station. They have this other amazing ability to always have their window down saying chatting to everyone who passes? Friendly folks or what?

I know you are 100% legit, but there's many thousands more who make full use of looking like a public hire taxi.


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Punters who book a PH in advance for pickups where HC could be available, but prefer to know what car/what driver/what price shouldnt have to risk "bandits" trying to jump thier car

take it up a notch, if theyev booked an "exec" type car (Merc/Beemer/Lexus) on a top rate, which rarely come with any signage, the risk of being jumped by the [edited by admin] get less and less, what does that tell you?

also the fact that many LA's already have provision for "exec" plates (no signs) and even "plated with no plates".....again, no signage

as for LA's that insist PH have rooflights.........idiotic

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Yeah of course they should and then see how many drunken females get into private cars cos they can't tell the difference between Joe Perves PH and the proper licensed PH. PH has as much right to be seen as taxis do and so long as they work within the law, which most of them do, then there isn't a problem



your getting excited

joe perv will get drunk women whatever happens, if they are stupid enough to flag him down, oddly, they would try flagging down totally unsigned cars would they

add signs and bingo, its a taxi

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The problem they have in Alsbury is a lack of enforcement.


Are you sure it's not a lack of taxis and an over provision of PH?

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Yeah of course they should and then see how many drunken females get into private cars cos they can't tell the difference between Joe Perves PH and the proper licensed PH. PH has as much right to be seen as taxis do and so long as they work within the law, which most of them do, then there isn't a problem



your getting excited

joe perv will get drunk women whatever happens, if they are stupid enough to flag him down, oddly, they would try flagging down totally unsigned cars would they

add signs and bingo, its a taxi


We've been over all this before. I didn't agree with you then and I won't agree with you now. I believe it is safer for the public if ph have door signs and plates front and back. I don't agree that they should have roof signs. I also don't agree that just because a vehicle has no signage the public won't approach them to get a lift home after a night out, I've witnessed this and I've witnessed people flagging down vans ffs, the public don't care they just want to go home.

With regards to the illegal touting by ph I don't agree with that either, but, I think it's a problem for enforcement. I also think that ph aren't the only ones to do it, taxis do it too and one gets a little fed up of their holier than thou attitude :roll:

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The problem they have in Alsbury is a lack of enforcement.


Are you sure it's not a lack of taxis and an over provision of PH?


Well they could always derestrict the taxis and then all the ph drivers can then become taxi drivers and the problem will dissappear. Then instead of there being 800 ph making a nuisance of themselves there'll be over 800 taxis making a nuisance of themselves. I don't think it's a good idea to derestrict but what do I care I don't work there.

There'll always be an over provision of ph that's what makes the money for the ph operator, they don't care so long as they get their rent. In fact the dilemma facing ph drivers is not unlike the dilemma facing taxi drivers who have to rent :wink:

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what utter nonsense

Deal with the offenders by all means - those that are illegally plying in a PHV should have their license revoked but dont ( as a london cabbie recently put it) Tar everybody with the same brush !

I wonder how legal what the the taxi marshals did on new years eve actually was ?

The point I was trying to make was that most miscreant Pirate Hire drivers want there cake and eat it!!

They want the cheapness of a licensed Pirate Hire car, but the facilities of a Hackney Carriage.

And if you asked most Pirate Hire drivers if they would consider transferring to Hackney, almost to a man they wouldn't.

They just want to be miscreants, bending the rules, breaking the law, because it gives them a buzz.

My post was 'tongue in chutzpah'

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so hackney plates/badges/insurance/vehicles are cheap then?

doesnt apply in my manor, i can buy and 1st plate a 10 year old "purpose built" (interpret as you will) but only a 6 year old saloon, insurances are no different, in fact i think HC was cheaper

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wannabeeahack wrote:
[ive seen punters try to get in 1 sign written estate car after an Oasis gig

it was a forklift engineers company car

Before I started cabbing I came out of a takeaway and got into my car. Before I'd even started the engine some bloke had jumped in the front asking to be taken home. Lots of arguing and explaining I wasn't a taxi later he said he'd give me a tenner up front - so I took it of course !

Oh and the 'lookalike' taxi I was driving, a Ford Escort --------- VAN !!


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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
ozthecoz wrote:
what utter nonsense

Deal with the offenders by all means - those that are illegally plying in a PHV should have their license revoked but dont ( as a london cabbie recently put it) Tar everybody with the same brush !

I wonder how legal what the the taxi marshals did on new years eve actually was ?

The point I was trying to make was that most miscreant Pirate Hire drivers want there cake and eat it!!

They want the cheapness of a licensed Pirate Hire car, but the facilities of a Hackney Carriage.

And if you asked most Pirate Hire drivers if they would consider transferring to Hackney, almost to a man they wouldn't.

They just want to be miscreants, bending the rules, breaking the law, because it gives them a buzz.

My post was 'tongue in chutzpah'


How does that argument stand up in saloon taxi land :?

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having any signs/signage on a PH car is no different to this


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