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Soaring oil price could raise cost of petrol to £4 a litre, minister warns
Government desperate to avoid repeat of fuel blockades as senior Lib Dem claims that those on low incomes cannot afford expense of getting to work

Sunday, 6 March 2011

Britain is set to feel the shock effect of rising oil prices, economists warned last night, as a Tory minister raised the prospect of motorists paying £4 a litre at the pumps.

With petrol prices rising to a record high of £1.43 a litre in parts of the country, economists warned of the "rocket and feather effect" that sees retail fuel prices blast upward after a rise in the price of crude oil but drift down only slowly if it falls.

With further unrest across Libya and the Middle East expected to exacerbate the problem, The Independent on Sunday has identified a number of energy firm bosses anticipating a leap in company profits.

Tim Harford, journalist and author of The Undercover Economist, said yesterday: "It's actually when the oil price starts falling that petrol retailers make the most money. When prices start falling, we get very relaxed about it because we know petrol is cheaper than it was last week so we don't look so hard for a deal."

Pressure is mounting on the Government for intervention as the price of Brent crude increased to nearly $103 a barrel on Friday – the second highest figure since the $147 high in 2008. Chancellor George Osborne who gives his second Budget on 23 March, hinted he was preparing to act when he told the Conservative spring forum in Cardiff yesterday that he "heard" the complaints about fuel prices. He said: "I won't take risks with economic stability, or wreck the public finances. But I promise you I am doing everything I can to find a way to help."

The Treasury is weighing up using an unexpected windfall from lower than forecast levels of jobseeker's allowance claimants to ditch the planned 1p rise in fuel duty.

The issue of fuel prices took on an increasingly political dimension this weekend, with warnings about public disquiet and a senior Liberal Democrat telling Mr Osborne that it was a matter of "social justice".

Tim Farron, the Lib Dem party president, said soaring fuel costs were forcing people on low incomes to consider giving up work to avoid travel expense. "This is not just an issue for white van man or Jeremy Clarkson fans. It is an issue of social inclusion and social justice," he said.

Peter Carroll, a spokesman for Fair Fuel UK, warned: "We are being pushed into a fuel price crisis. My reaction to these prices is one of horror, of what it will do to the economy, what it will do to people and what it will do to business."

Significantly, the Lib Dems have withdrawn their opposition to financial assistance for motorists, insisting those still driving have no alternative. "Nobody is choosing not to use their car any more because of petrol prices," Mr Farron said. "If you were able to take that decision, you did that five or six years ago. Now people are making decisions about not working because of the cost of driving."

Philip Hammond, the Transport Secretary, has also made clear to cabinet colleagues that forcing up petrol prices is not the way to persuade people to give up their car. Online campaign groups have been formed calling for lower fuel duty, and ministers are anxious to avoid a repeat of the fuel blockades in 2000.

Alan Duncan, an international aid minister and a former oil trader, will have done little to allay motorists' fears with his grim warning about how high prices could go as a result of unrest in the Middle East. He posited the idea that petrol at the pump could reach £4 a litre and the price of crude could top $200 a barrel. "When I said oil would go through $100, people thought I was bonkers. Now we are not far off $130."

David Cameron has promised the Treasury is still examining proposals for a fuel stabiliser, which would level out prices by reducing duty when oil prices were high and increasing duty when the cost of oil fell.

In a speech yesterday, Ed Balls, the Shadow Chancellor, told Mr Osborne to "get his head out of the sand". "He should be helping hard-pressed families now by immediately reversing the Tory VAT rise on fuel."

Source; http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 33618.html


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Warning over 'fuel price emergency'

6th March 2011
(UKPA) – 6 hours ago


Campaigners have warned of a fuel emergency after the price of a litre of unleaded reached £1.40 at one garage in England.

The BP garage in Kent was charging 140.9 pence per litre, which campaign group Fair Fuel UK said could be the highest price recorded so far.

The forecourt on the M2 near Rainham, Gillingham, was also pictured selling a litre of diesel at 144.9 pence per litre.

Last month, the average UK price for petrol was around 128.65p per litre, with diesel at 133.38p.

Fair Fuel UK spokesman Peter Carroll said: "These prices are shocking.

"My reaction to these prices is one of horror, of what it will do to the economy, what it will do to people and what it will do to business. They will be crushed by this.

"We are being pushed into a fuel price crisis."

The findings on fuel prices come as Chancellor George Osborne delivered a strong hint that a 1p fuel duty hike due next month will be scrapped amid fears over soaring oil prices.

"When it costs £1.30 for a litre of petrol, £80 to fill up a family car, I know people feel squeezed," he said.

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Osborne: I’ll help drivers hit by soaring petrol prices
George Osborne, the Chancellor, has vowed to use his forthcoming Budget to help hard-pressed motorists as a fellow minister admitted soaring oil prices could send the cost of petrol to more than £2 a litre.

05 March 2011

Mr Osborne used a speech at the Conservative Spring Conference at Cardiff to reached out to what he called “squeezed” middle and lower-income voters paying £80 to fill up a family car. “I hear you,” he declared.

“I promise you I am doing everything I can to find a way to help.” His comments were the clearest signal yet he will use the Budget, in two-and-a-half weeks’ time, to announce that a planned rise in fuel duty, 1p above the level of inflation and to take effect from 1 April, will be scrapped.

He is likely also to bring in other measures to help motorists such as a fuel duty “escalator” – which would see the amount of duty payable by motorists fall when oil prices are high, and vice versa.

Last week Danny Alexander, the Liberal Democrat Treasury chief secretary, confirmed plans for a cut in duty of 5p in remote and island communities in Britain – a move widely thought to herald more general help for the motorist in the Budget.

Earlier Alan Duncan, the International Development minister, said the crisis gripping Libya and other Arab states was likely to push the cost of crude oil above $200 a barrel – well above the current record price.

A further “worst case” hike, sending oil prices to around £2.50, which would “translate” into British motorists paying £2.03 for a litre of unleaded fuel, more than half as much again as the current high price of £1.30 at the pumps. Mr Duncan said the current level could “look like a luxury” if the situation worsened.

Mr Osborne and David Cameron are uncomfortably aware that “squeezed” middle and lower income voters – the key constituency ahead of the next general election – are particularly badly hit by rises in petrol prices and that events in North Africa could turn what is already growing unrest into the coalition’s most pressing political problem.

Senior ministers privately fear a repeat of the 2000 fuel protests which reduced Tony Blair’s Labour government to panic and saw the Tories, then under William Hague, pull ahead of Labour in the polls for the first time for seven years – although this advantage proved very brief.

Mr Osborne said in his speech: “When it costs £1.30 for a litre of petrol; £80 to fill up a family car, I know people feel squeezed. And I say this to people, I hear you. This April I’m freezing council tax. But we’ve got another of the Labour Party’ pre-prepared rises in petrol tax also coming this April – one penny above inflation.

“I won’t take risks with economic stability, or wreck the public finances. But I promise you I am doing everything I can to find a way to help.”

Labour are calling for the VAT rise on petrol, brought in at the start of the year, to be reversed. Angela Eagle, the shadow Treasury minister, said: “Danny Alexander and George Osborne could and should act now to help motorists in every part of the UK.

“They could immediately reverse their VAT rise on petrol, which has added £1.35 to the cost of filling up a 50 litre tank, and ease the pressure on families across the country right now. In the Budget later this month they should look again at the annual fuel duty rise due in April. The last Labour Government often postponed planned duty increases when world oil prices were on the up – as they are now.”

Mr Duncan, who is a former oil trader with long business experience in the Gulf, disclosed he had been warning his ministerial colleagues since the start of the year about the toxic threat of rising prices.

He said in a newspaper interview: “ I’ve been saying in government for two months that if this does go wrong, £1.30 at the pump could look like a luxury, $200 [a barrel] is on the cards if ... anyone is reckless and foments unrest.”

The worst-case scenario, the minister suggested, was prices nudging $250 a barrel, which would take UK petrol prices over £2 a litre. That would happen if terrorists took advantage of political unrest to bomb oil tankers or oil reserves in the region.

The current record price for a barrel of oil is $147 in a “spike” in 2008. Currently, it is below $120, which has surprised experts given the volatility in the region.

Fuel duty brings the Treasury close to £30 billion a year. Labour claim this year’s VAT rise on fuel will generate around £700m in extra revenue this year and say the increase could be reversed using the £800m extra the Treasury is receiving from the levy on bank balance sheets.

Source; http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/new ... rices.html

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And if this lot blows up into civil war, the predictions could well be right!

Saudi Arabia bans all marches as mass protest is planned for Friday
Extra troops are sent to north-east to quash any Shia protest as King Abdullah's regime gets jittery and oil prices soar in response to the region's continued unrest

Sunday, 6 March 2011

Saudi Arabia, the world's largest oil producer and the regional domino whose fall the West fears most, yesterday announced that it would ban all protests and marches. The move – the stick to match the carrot of benefits worth $37bn (£23bn) recently offered citizens in an effort to stave off the unrest that has overtaken nearby states – comes before a "day of rage" threatened for this Friday by opponents of the regime.

The Saudi Interior Ministry said the kingdom has banned all demonstrations because they contradict Islamic laws and social values. The ministry said some people have tried to get around the law to "achieve illegitimate aims" and it warned that security forces were authorised to act against violators. By way of emphasis, a statement broadcast on Saudi television said the authorities would "use all measures" to prevent any attempt to disrupt public order.

Already, as The Independent reported yesterday, the ruling House of Saud had drafted security forces, possibly numbering up to 10,000, into the north-eastern provinces. These areas, home to most of the country's Shia Muslim minority, have been the scenes of small demonstrations in recent weeks by protesters calling for the release of prisoners who they say are being held without trial. Saudi Shias also complain that they find it much harder to get senior government jobs and benefits than other citizens.

Not only are the Shia areas close to Bahrain, scene of some potent unrest in recent weeks, but they are also where most of the Saudi oil fields lie. More than two million Shias are thought to live there, and in recent years they have increasingly practised their own religious rites thanks to the Saudi king's reforms.

But the day of protest called for this Friday was – perhaps still is – likely to attract more than restive Shias in the east. There have been growing murmurs of discontent in recent weeks; protesters have not only been much emboldened by the success of popular uprisings in Tunisia and Egypt, but online channels of communication by those contemplating rebellion have been established. Some estimates indicate that as many as 20,000 were planning to protest in Riyadh, as well as in the east, on Friday.

The jitters of the Saudi regime will be at least equalled in many parts of the world where sympathy for democracy movements is tempered by a reliance on petrol, which most people – for all the special pleading of the haulage industry – can just about afford. Saudi Arabia sits on a fifth of the world's oil reserves.

The past week, with conflict disrupting all but a trickle of Libya's oil production, has seen the Brent barrel price climb to $103, with UK pump prices swiftly going up to £1.30 a litre. The rise in the price per barrel was caused not just by the Libyan strife – the country produces only 2 per cent of the planet's oil needs – but also by the prospect of further unrest in the region, although not the threat of full-scale breakdown in Saudi Arabia.

Yesterday, alarmist voices were not slow to exploit fears. Alan Duncan, an international aid minister and a former oil trader, raised the prospect in an interview with The Times of the price of crude rising well beyond 2008's record of $140 a barrel, to $200 or more.

"Do you want to be paying £4 a litre for petrol?" he asked. "I've been saying in government for two months that if this does go wrong, £1.30 at the pump could look like luxury." He outlined a "worst-case scenario" in which serious regional upheaval could propel the price to $250 a barrel, and thence to British drivers paying £2.03 a litre. London is now considering

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It need'nt be so, Britain has around 200 years worth of coal reserves going unused and unmined. the Technology has existed for years to convert Coal into Oil which is suitable for refining into Petrol and Diesel.

China is Investing big time in such technology as is south africa..We in the UK could do likewise except that our bloody dozy politicians are blinkered be wearing Green Tinted glasses...they cant see past Wind energy and a few other daft and irrelevant energy sources.

Why they focus so much effort and money on curing the as yet unproven climate change myth is a mystery to me, they would rather have us all fechin starve to death in the name of being environmentally sound!!

The chinese are readying themselves for the day Oil becomes harder to obtain, they have 1300 million people to worry about and they dont much give a stuff about mythical greenhouse gasses like our current crop of MP's do. ...No they get prepared, they build Coal burning power stations as well as nuclear power stations, they turn coal into fuel...infact they do everything that we should also be doing here.

Sadly our leaders Sit on their hands and do nothing...scared of the day they have yet to see.

One day there will be 30 Million cars in Britain going nowhere for a lack of fuel, our economy will collapse, unable to raise crops..still, we will be content in the knowledge that we at least led the way in wind power technology and saved the planet at the expense of the UK,s People...

For Petes sake..let us use some of our Coal...We just want to survive!!!


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It need'nt be so, Britain has around 200 years worth of coal reserves going unused and unmined. the Technology has existed for years to convert Coal into Oil which is suitable for refining into Petrol and Diesel.



What is the basis for the 200 years worth of coal? What grade of coal is this? Is it suitable for conversion? How much would it cost to convert?

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It need'nt be so, Britain has around 200 years worth of coal reserves going unused and unmined. the Technology has existed for years to convert Coal into Oil which is suitable for refining into Petrol and Diesel.



What is the basis for the 200 years worth of coal? What grade of coal is this? Is it suitable for conversion? How much would it cost to convert?


Under Nottinghamshire there are reserves of 500million + tonnes, that is good quality coal which can be used for petrol and diesel.

Bevercoates Colliery which closed in the 90's was well known for it's oil reserves because the mine was that deep. I did my training at Bevercoates and I can vouch for the oil it was everywhere.

Here's the link to it. http://coalmine.proboards.com/index.cgi ... thread=598

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Thats nah gade meh cabs a gusler wid be 50 quid of juice fir a 100 mile wil hay ta start busking lalala


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Midlander wrote:
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bloodnock wrote:
It need'nt be so, Britain has around 200 years worth of coal reserves going unused and unmined. the Technology has existed for years to convert Coal into Oil which is suitable for refining into Petrol and Diesel.



What is the basis for the 200 years worth of coal? What grade of coal is this? Is it suitable for conversion? How much would it cost to convert?


Under Nottinghamshire there are reserves of 500million + tonnes, that is good quality coal which can be used for petrol and diesel.

Bevercoates Colliery which closed in the 90's was well known for it's oil reserves because the mine was that deep. I did my training at Bevercoates and I can vouch for the oil it was everywhere.

Here's the link to it. http://coalmine.proboards.com/index.cgi ... thread=598


yeah but what idiots are gonna go back underground now, cos they neednt this little chicken will, i had my time in the dark thank you very much

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dinnea wirra tha ar goiing ta yas jasbar ta solve the pertrol, gonna yas the methane fa tha [edited by admin] that poors fa his gob hahaha


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In France, the goverment sets the price for cigarettes, why cant HMG set the price for fuel here?

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The problem is when it costs more to get the stuff out of the ground than you can sell it for.

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The problem is when it costs more to get the stuff out of the ground than you can sell it for.


That could hardly be the case with oil. In the middle east they practically scoop it up with a bucket. The price has little to do with the cost of extraction.

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petrol £6 a gallon
beer £8/£10 a gallon

petrol
prospect for oil for months/years
drill a hole 3 miles deep with great danger(maybe offshore)
pump it up
transport to a billion pound refinery
refine to petrol
transport to a storage site
then transport to garage
goverment gets over half the pump price

beer
water, hops, yeast
mix it, send to a pub, sell it

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Shorty wrote:
Thats nah gade meh cabs a gusler wid be 50 quid of juice fir a 100 mile wil hay ta start busking lalala

Hi Mr Shorty.

Any chance you could use the site on the link below before you post please?

http://www.whoohoo.co.uk/scottish-translator.asp

It would greatly help us Sassenach!!

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Im Scottish.......but no where in my educational background did they ever teach us to spell or write the way things sound in the Way that Shorty types...its like some hideously mutated speech that lies somewheres between Scots english and Klingon... :roll:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w2g8VeSqD4&feature=fvsr

That is either Klingonian or Dungon (a type of Dundee Hybrid speek).......its hard to say and worse to read...!!! :roll:


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