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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:33 am 
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Frank Lay wrote:
The often mentioned "New York model" is being brought up by those who already have a plate, because it will greatly increase the price they can sell their plate for.

Total rubbish Frank :roll:

The market in Edinburgh is 10 times smaller than New York so in theory the value of the plate in Edinburgh would be 10 times less than that of New York, Plates in Edinburgh would peak around the 50k mark, survey's of demand would help to maintain that value and both way's, a flexible transfer tax could also be brought in to stop excessive profiteering, a tax linked to value and the multiple transferring of plates by any one individual.

My idea of the NY system is to bring it to Edinburgh then re-tune the idea so as not to have excessive plate value's, 50k is about right and the value has been that before, with a 5% transfer tax on 50k the council would rake it in

The value of the plate though is an inherited value, it's not our doing but we bought in to it and our council profited from it, they have a duty to help protect it

De-restrict and the council pay compensation, bring in the NY system and the council make loads of money to run and maintain our Taxi industry, the choice is theirs.

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De-restrict and the council pay compensation


Why would they compensate anybody, there is no loss. The plate has no resale value anyway :? The council could not be expected to compensate for a loss that they themselves are supposedly not to support i.e the selling of a plate via the backdoor through a company :wink:

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you might be rights toots but it would certainly be challenged, its also the only way you can obtain a plate, its the norm has been for years, not saying its right or wrong but you cant expect 1000s of pepole to lay down and accept it


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you cant expect 1000s of pepole to lay down and accept it


Why not, it seems perfectly reasonable to me.

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Frank

the new york system does not have to increase plate value it could be introduced to cement what is happing now and would make the system open to everyone and would do away with the legal challenges that we have had in the past


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it might seem resonable to you
but it wont to the 1000s of people who bought them


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sunset wrote:
you might be rights toots but it would certainly be challenged, its also the only way you can obtain a plate, its the norm has been for years, not saying its right or wrong but you cant expect 1000s of pepole to lay down and accept it


1000s? How many taxis are there in Edinburgh?

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sunset wrote:
1300+++


So it's not 1000s it's 1300. At the end of the day, regardless of what system is in place, it cannot effect the customer negatively and has to be in the best interests of the trade as a whole and not an individual

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so whats your point toots

are saying the sale of plates affects the customers?

are you for de-restriction now


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btw lots of inviduals make up the trade and most operate plates therefore the would mean by your own words the trade as a whole would prefer restrction on plates


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sunset wrote:
so whats your point toots

are saying the sale of plates affects the customers?

are you for de-restriction now


I'm not saying that the sale of plates affects the customers and I'm not suggesting for a minute that de-restriction works. My comments were made in relation to the suggestion that the council should pay compensation to drivers. Imo there should be no compensation because essentially there is no loss, the plates were issued free of charge with the exception of the license fee to produce the same. The fact that they are sold, albeit via the back door, should not be considered as a genuine reason for any compensation claim.

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ok dokey i think you might be right

but as i said that would be challenged, lets hope it does nae happen

Im warming to new york new york


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sunset wrote:
ok dokey i think you might be right

but as i said that would be challenged, lets hope it does nae happen

Im warming to new york new york


I'm curious how they would be in a position to challenge anything, should it come to that

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Private Reggie wrote:
Total rubbish Frank :roll:

The market in Edinburgh is 10 times smaller than New York so in theory the value of the plate in Edinburgh would be 10 times less than that of New York


Actually, the Edinburgh market is probably nearer 2% of the New York market, but that is not important.
New York has far more cabs so the cab/passenger ratio will be much closer.

Also, to make your system work, you'd have to scrap the brief, or at least make it so easy that any immigrant getting off the boat can pass it.
How else are you going to get enough guys prepared to work for a pittance and make the whole scheme a viable investment?

The political fall out from allowing this would be large.
This isn't New York, it's Scotland.
Blatent greed and exploitation isn't considered acceptable practice here.
What's in it for the politicians? It would have to be a lot more than a few £K flogging off the odd plate. Hell they spend that on coffee every week at Holyrood.
Unless they could sell a huge number of them, netting many £millions, it just wouldn't be worth the grief.
This is not what anyone punting this scheme wants, is it?

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