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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 12:48 am 
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It's just another kind of quota, and inequality to supposedly end discrimination



TDO, in all wars there must be casualties, everyone will eventually have to cater for the disabled, quite right too aswell.

Its a mere coincidence that virtually all wheelchair hirings are technically private hire and not hackney, and that successive governments have failed to realise this.

The off shoot is that it'll make for an interesting topic of conversation and give us all somehting to moan about.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 1:49 am 
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Clearly if a person is comfined to a chair then only a WAV will do.

On the other hand, they may prefer not to be in a chair, and moreover may prefer to be in a saloon rather than a WAV.

Same with the partially-disabled.

I don't think anyone disputes the above, the question is how the vehicles are provided, but what I don't like is some being allowed to run saloons, while others are confined to WAVs.

It's just another kind of quota, and inequality to supposedly end discrimination :?



The big problem and you are part of it, is the vast majority of this trade aint a clue about disabled.

wavs in the main are built to, a plan for the late thirties for Austin, it was for a taxi car that people could get in and out of quickly for london, then in the Thatcher years Lti who had bought the damn crap, decided there was a racket where they could slap in some harnesses and call them Wheelchair accessibles.

like always happens they started telling porkies, saying they were built for wheelchairs, what a lie they were build for active people getting in and out quick, but licensing officers found it an answer to thier prayers in this politicaly correct madhouse.

Then every tom dick anf harry started building alternatives, copies of an outdated 30s idea.

let me tell you all, the vehicles built for disabled people are almost all back loading, so LTI start the poison again, just read micks posts and you will find the brainwashing.

so says Mick we started a firm specially for disabled and they wanted salloons, instead of what? well those vehicles designed for active people getting and out of quickly!

led by moorons we are and I am not refereing to Mick, but the lunatics that advise him.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 5:55 am 
captain cab wrote:
Its a mere coincidence that virtually all wheelchair hirings are technically private hire and not hackney, and that successive governments have failed to realise this.

You said it, I'd say 90% of disabled people have their own cars on Mobility, the other 10% have partners who have cars.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 8:53 am 
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so says Mick we started a firm specially for disabled and they wanted salloons, instead of what? well those vehicles designed for active people getting and out of quickly!

led by moorons we are and I am not refereing to Mick, but the lunatics that advise him.


Misquoted yet again.

What I said was the FIRST job WAV Gateshead took was from a disabled group insisting on a saloon.

We had a wide range of vehicles, we had to have to ensure that as many people as possible could be carried.

With regard LTI, when the TX model was designed it was designed to carry wheelchairs. I think your claim that they just "put some straps in" is unfair, I do agree that they are not ideal but I don't agree that they are accessible to everyone.

The E7 with its steps and electronically lifting front seat is far more accessible than the TX, but it doesn't suit everyone. If we are going to provide a fully accessible fleet then every vehicle type should be available to our customers.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 9:05 am 
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Gateshead Angel wrote:


The E7 with its steps and electronically lifting front seat is far more accessible than the TX, but it doesn't suit everyone. If we are going to provide a fully accessible fleet then every vehicle type should be available to our customers.


Who's we? I thought you weren't in the trade anymore. What happened to this enterprise? >>>>>

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I no longer drive a taxi, my new venture started trading on Monday 1st March and I'm doing quite nicely thank you very much, so whatever comes of the OFT report through the DfT has absolutely nothing at all to do with my livlihood, I saw the warning signs up here and got out of it.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 9:10 am 
Get a grip JD, you know how I'm still involved in the trade and your recent trawling through my previous posts from more than a year ago show your desperation to try and prove a point.

I have learned a lot in the last year, as have many others, but I don't see you going back back to what they said so long ago.

Some people.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 9:33 am 
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Gateshead Angel wrote:
Get a grip JD, you know how I'm still involved in the trade and your recent trawling through my previous posts from more than a year ago show your desperation to try and prove a point.

I have learned a lot in the last year, as have many others, but I don't see you going back back to what they said so long ago.

Some people.

B. Lucky :twisted:


Actually I had my doubts that you had ever left the trade but seeing as you have now announced you are back, I hope the reason for your return is not related to any downturn in your new business venture. And yes I have been reseaching your past posts for inconsistancies, have you noticed any contradictions?

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 10:59 am 
JD, I'm involved in the trade, but I'm not involved full time. My business is very much still trading, thank you.

You will see some thoughts I had a year ago which will differ from the way I view the trade now, this is because of an extra years experience and an extra year on here.

I don't profess to know everything about this trade across the whole UK, but I do know whats going on in Gateshead and its as disgraceful as is what is happening in areas like Halifax, but obviously for differing reasons. I don't believe either is fair.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 11:37 am 
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so says Mick we started a firm specially for disabled and they wanted salloons, instead of what? well those vehicles designed for active people getting and out of quickly!

led by moorons we are and I am not refereing to Mick, but the lunatics that advise him.


Misquoted yet again.

What I said was the FIRST job WAV Gateshead took was from a disabled group insisting on a saloon.

We had a wide range of vehicles, we had to have to ensure that as many people as possible could be carried.

With regard LTI, when the TX model was designed it was designed to carry wheelchairs. I think your claim that they just "put some straps in" is unfair, I do agree that they are not ideal but I don't agree that they are accessible to everyone.

The E7 with its steps and electronically lifting front seat is far more accessible than the TX, but it doesn't suit everyone. If we are going to provide a fully accessible fleet then every vehicle type should be available to our customers.

B. Lucky :twisted:



Mick
I assure you, that the tx range despite all the hullaballoo was designed only to get through a crash test.

it was designed only to get to market.

there was no thought for disabled and thats the kind of lies I am on about.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 11:55 am 
Yeah cheers Geoff,

Is it not the case that the crash test included a test on the wheelchair facility, EVEN though no wheelchairs are actually tested prior to approval or manufacture. Wheelchairs were not manufactured to be carried with their occupant in vehicles, so it could be claimed that the chairs themselves are not suitable. The point is no member of society should be excluded from any activity they wish to undertake, if we are to be considered as a transport service provider we should be doing everything to ensure this never happens to any of our customers, unlike the buses

I don't care much for the TX, less for LTI and as for LTF well the least said the better.

If I were to buy a vehicle now to work in the trade it would probably be a E7 although I would consider a Jubilee Merc. I wouldn't look twice at "home made conversions" even on the same models, or a TX.

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It has though gone backward, the monthly news slots were good if biased, I am sorry it was dropped.



If anyone has any interest in resurrecting it then perhaps they could email the site at info@taxi-driver.co.uk with their ideas.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 1:38 am 
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Yeah cheers Geoff,

Is it not the case that the crash test included a test on the wheelchair facility, EVEN though no wheelchairs are actually tested prior to approval or manufacture. Wheelchairs were not manufactured to be carried with their occupant in vehicles, so it could be claimed that the chairs themselves are not suitable. The point is no member of society should be excluded from any activity they wish to undertake, if we are to be considered as a transport service provider we should be doing everything to ensure this never happens to any of our customers, unlike the buses

I don't care much for the TX, less for LTI and as for LTF well the least said the better.

If I were to buy a vehicle now to work in the trade it would probably be a E7 although I would consider a Jubilee Merc. I wouldn't look twice at "home made conversions" even on the same models, or a TX.

B. Lucky :twisted:



Well Mick, that was if I dare so an excelent posting, and yes you have hit the nail on the head, wheelchairs were not made for traveling in and it is prudent even in WAVS to invite the occupant to travel in a proper seat.

we carry passengers in wheelchairs under best practical means, and those who cannot swap seats are in danger, road humps are murder for them

its the profesional thing to do to refuse such passengers if we feal genuinely that they are beyond our competence to travel.

even in WAVS its not open house, you are not expected to carry people in motorised wheelchairs or scooters, just a regulation wheelchair.


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This would be why the government have contracted a firm called ricability, through Loughborough Univercity to look at the issue then. :wink:

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 1:52 am 
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Yorkie,

the impression we are getting from the Government is that there is no single ideal vehicle to cover all disabilities.

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OH yes there is,..it,s called a...HEARSE......T


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OH yes there is,..it,s called a...HEARSE......T


hehe,

so once the COF review is complete, and they find that the current policy does not operate in a way that is beneficial to either the driver, in terms of choice, the customer in terms of choice, and also not in the best interests of a free market.

Leading to;

Those local authorities that currently have policies similar, being forced to change theirs.....

......you may change your mind?

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