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There’s too many taxis in Norwich, say cabbies

Saturday, March 19, 2011

Taxi drivers have called on the council to limit the number of black cabs allowed to operate in Norwich, saying the city is so flooded with them that they are struggling to make a living.

There are currently 217 licensed black cabs in the city, but the Norwich Hackney Trade Association says that is too many and the city has reached saturation point when it comes to taxis.

The association says people who have lost their jobs in the recession are turning to cab driving and there are simply not enough fares to go around.

Steve Royal, secretary of the Norwich Hackney Trade Association, presented a petition to Norwich City Council’s licensing committee last November urging them to consider limiting the number of black cab licences it issues.

Officers are drawing up a report on whether that might be possible and are asking members of the public whether they think limiting them is a good idea.

Mr Royal is in no doubt Norwich is already at saturation point for black cabs. He said: “Just in the last couple of years we have seen more people becoming taxi drivers."

“You get a situation where people might lose their job and they look to taxi driving as something they can do."

“Sooner or later you came to a saturation point and I think we have got there. If you go to the taxi rank at the railway station you often see them stretching all the way back around the car park."

“It’s not uncommon now for us to have one job in an hour and if that’s a fare for just £5 or so, that’s not enough to make a living."

“It leaves people working longer hours to try to make a living which isn’t good for the taxi drivers or for the public.”

Mr Royal said, with insurance costs soaring by 25pc for many drivers and sky high fuel prices, limiting the number of licences was vital to keep taxi drivers in work.

The council cannot legally refuse to licence a hackney carriage (black cab) once licensing conditions have been satisfied.

It can only refuse an application for a hackney carriage vehicle licence to limit numbers if it is satisfied there is no significant ‘unmet demand’ for taxi services within the city.

In order to figure out if that is the case. the council might need to bring in consultants to carry out a survey - the cost of which would have to be recouped from hackney carriage vehicle licence fees.

If a limit is put in place further surveys might have to be carried out in the future to ensure the restricted number still satisfies the ‘unmet demand’ test.

An alternative to placing a restriction on the number of hackney carriage licences issued by the council could be to change the existing hackney carriage licence conditions or vehicle specification.

For example, the specification could be changed so all vehicles have to meet a certain exhaust emissions standard.

A Norwich City Council spokeswoman said: “This survey is part of a wider exercise to gather information on the future of taxi licensing for black cabs which has included writing to all hackney carriage owners seeking their views.

“Asking for feedback from members of the public is an extension to that work and we’re interested to hear any comment on our proposals.”

Fares for Hackney carriages, which are the taxis you can ‘flag down’ at a taxi rank or off the street, are set by the city council.

The city council also licences private hire vehicles, which have to be pre-booked. There are 335 private hire vehicles in Norwich, but they are not part of this review.

• If you would like to offer your views, visit the homepage of the council’s website www.norwich.gov.uk and complete the online taxi licensing survey by Monday (March 21).

Source; http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/news/the ... s_1_835007

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Join the club lads!!!

Unrestricted Hackney and Private Hire numbers creates meaningless jobs.

But meaningless jobs are nevertheless jobs as far as the unemployment figures are concerned.

And governments over the past four decades have benefited from these meaningless jobs which reduce unemploymant figures.

Untrustworthy politicians strike again!!

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Two drivers sharing the same cab creates the same number of meaningless jobs as 2 drivers with a cab each.
Same goes for PH.

Restricting the number of taxis doesn't stop this.
Taxis don't claim benefits or appear on unemployment statistics. :wink:

Restrict the numbers of drivers by improving the entry criteria and you won't need to restrict the number of cabs.
They will fall away as the number of available drivers drops. A taxi without a driver does no work.

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gusmac wrote:
Two drivers sharing the same cab creates the same number of meaningless jobs as 2 drivers with a cab each.
Same goes for PH.

Restricting the number of taxis doesn't stop this.
Taxis don't claim benefits or appear on unemployment statistics. :wink:

Restrict the numbers of drivers by improving the entry criteria and you won't need to restrict the number of cabs.
They will fall away as the number of available drivers drops. A taxi without a driver does no work.

Taxi drivers do!!

Big time in Brum and legally!!!

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
gusmac wrote:
Two drivers sharing the same cab creates the same number of meaningless jobs as 2 drivers with a cab each.
Same goes for PH.

Restricting the number of taxis doesn't stop this.
Taxis don't claim benefits or appear on unemployment statistics. :wink:

Restrict the numbers of drivers by improving the entry criteria and you won't need to restrict the number of cabs.
They will fall away as the number of available drivers drops. A taxi without a driver does no work.

Taxi drivers do!!

Big time in Brum and legally!!!


Because there are so many, they can't make a decent living?

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Restrict the numbers of drivers by improving the entry criteria and you won't need to restrict the number of cabs.
They will fall away as the number of available drivers drops. A taxi without a driver does no work.


I have to concur with this but the problem is the driver standards should have been improved prior to any derestriction. There is also the attitude of 'do gooders' who very often say that putting 'false obstacles' in the way of obtaining a license is not good for the trade. I feel this is karma biting the trade on the ass having had the trade shouting for years 'we don't need training, we've done this job years there's nothing you can teach me'. Well maybe now they've learnt that if you have no standards you have no chance of preventing an influx at times of need

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:

Unrestricted Hackney and Private Hire numbers creates meaningless jobs.

What is the point of restricting vehicles when you can't restrict drivers?

400 drivers in 200 cabs work just as long, and pick up the same amount of punters as 400 drivers in 400 cabs.

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Sussex wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:

Unrestricted Hackney and Private Hire numbers creates meaningless jobs.

What is the point of restricting vehicles when you can't restrict drivers?

400 drivers in 200 cabs work just as long, and pick up the same amount of punters as 400 drivers in 400 cabs.


No they don't. 400 drivers in 200 cabs can only work 12 hour shifts. Whereas 400 drivers in 400 cabs can work 16, 17, 18 or how many hours they want

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toots wrote:
No they don't. 400 drivers in 200 cabs can only work 12 hour shifts. Whereas 400 drivers in 400 cabs can work 16, 17, 18 or how many hours they want

They can, but how many do?

Maybe Mr Gusmac can tell me how many in delimited Aberdeen work 18 hours a day.

However it doesn't matter how many vehicles or drivers you have, you will still have the same amount of punters.

So working 18 hours a day isn't only a stupid, it's also pointless.

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Sussex wrote:
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No they don't. 400 drivers in 200 cabs can only work 12 hour shifts. Whereas 400 drivers in 400 cabs can work 16, 17, 18 or how many hours they want

They can, but how many do?

Maybe Mr Gusmac can tell me how many in delimited Aberdeen work 18 hours a day.

However it doesn't matter how many vehicles or drivers you have, you will still have the same amount of punters.

So working 18 hours a day isn't only a stupid, it's also pointless.


There are plenty here that work more than 12 hours be it sensible or otherwise, it's a case of needs must. As for there being the same number of punters you may well be right, but, who knows how many punters there are until you've finished your shift :? Mr Gusmac may well be able to tell you how many in delimited Aberdeen work 18 hours a day, but, I don't work in delimited Aberdeen, I work in delimited Wirral

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Sussex wrote:

Maybe Mr Gusmac can tell me how many in delimited Aberdeen work 18 hours a day.



I'd be quessing but out of around 1500 drivers, probably no more than a dozen or two.

12 hours is probably about the norm, though many of us work less than that.

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toots wrote:
There are plenty here that work more than 12 hours be it sensible or otherwise, it's a case of needs must.


Don't these guys realise they are just cutting each others' feet, and forcing everyone to put in more hours?
If everyone increases their hours, they only increase the number of hours sitting doing nothing and earning nothing.

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gusmac wrote:
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There are plenty here that work more than 12 hours be it sensible or otherwise, it's a case of needs must.


Don't these guys realise they are just cutting each others' feet, and forcing everyone to put in more hours?
If everyone increases their hours, they only increase the number of hours sitting doing nothing and earning nothing.


Obviously not. These guys work in such a way that they will always have an unmet demand even though there are too many taxis on the ranks, go figure

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