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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:40 pm 
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Without facts no one not involved can make judgements if skull is innocent or not


That doesn't seem to be stopping anyone on here. :shock:

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LongshanksED wrote:
So lets say you and your neighbour have an argument and you witness him smashing your window at 3am!

You go to the police and he says "it's only an allegation! You got any proof?"

At least they'd have a broken window to go with the allegation :wink:

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Does that make the allegation any less true? It's then up to the authorities to find the proof.

It would leave the alleged window smasher to go about his business until said proof was found.
It would also leave him with the right to stay silent and the right to work.

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BTW Let's be quite clear about this.

According to the council's own procedures, the Skull didn't breach any of the licensing conditions he is claimed to have.

His licence was taken from him simply because the council claims he had.

Now, given that the council ignored his response, and it has a record putting documents "before" councillors who then ignore the content, what would be the point of arguing this before the committee.

The decision was pre-determined. Indeed it is certain that some specific steps were taken to reach the outcome, rather than that outcome following as a result of procedure.

Quality!


Did the complaint from a member of the public about his behaviour not amount to a beach of licencing conditions?

Of course the complaint was open to challenge, but gary chose not to do that.

As gary is clearly to ashamed to tell even us what he is supposed to have done, we can only presume the complaint was correct.


In Law the incident didn't happen.

Just as in Rab Smith's case there was no legal foundation for the council to take any action.

Indeed its own procedures state clearly that where there is no substantiation the matter would be held on record and no action taken.

But in this case the council tripped over itself to take action. Why?

because it had embarked on a witch-hunt. Now if anyone can tell me where in the CGSA the Act allows itself to be used to conduct a with=hunt then I'll be delighted to know.

Of course this was precisely the reason why the HRA was brought in the first place

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No incident, no breach of licence condition.

The council breached its procedures. Lang should have written to Garry and asked his version of events. he didn't.

The matter is put before the cab inspector to see whether the police should be involved. So, the Cab Inspector contacted Garry to establish this, according to the procedures. That being the case Garry has the right to remain silent in the face of a police investigation.

This being a civil matter, and no police intervention required, the matter should have remained within the civil process. It didn't However, Garry clearly did not hinder the cab inspector in his cab inspector duties. No breach of licensing condition here then.

Finally the condition which says that Garry should give his side of events. he wasn't asked to. Procedure breached, no licensing condition breached.

And faced with such wholesale breach of its own procedures, why would anyone want to submit to the Kangaroo Court so that councillors could laugh while breaching his human rights to equality before the law and a fair hearing?

The council is in serious trouble here.

It has to be stopped.

And bet on the fact that this episode, and his conduct, is going to follow Keir until his political career is at an end. He's made a rod for his own back.


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The council is in serious trouble here.

It has to be stopped.

And bet on the fact that this episode, and his conduct, is going to follow Keir until his political career is at an end. He's made a rod for his own back.


:roll: :roll: :roll:

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Jasbar wrote:
Frank Lay wrote:
Jasbar wrote:
BTW Let's be quite clear about this.

According to the council's own procedures, the Skull didn't breach any of the licensing conditions he is claimed to have.

His licence was taken from him simply because the council claims he had.

Now, given that the council ignored his response, and it has a record putting documents "before" councillors who then ignore the content, what would be the point of arguing this before the committee.

The decision was pre-determined. Indeed it is certain that some specific steps were taken to reach the outcome, rather than that outcome following as a result of procedure.

Quality!


Did the complaint from a member of the public about his behaviour not amount to a beach of licencing conditions?

Of course the complaint was open to challenge, but gary chose not to do that.

As gary is clearly to ashamed to tell even us what he is supposed to have done, we can only presume the complaint was correct.


In Law the incident didn't happen.

Just as in Rab Smith's case there was no legal foundation for the council to take any action.

Indeed its own procedures state clearly that where there is no substantiation the matter would be held on record and no action taken.

But in this case the council tripped over itself to take action. Why?

because it had embarked on a witch-hunt. Now if anyone can tell me where in the CGSA the Act allows itself to be used to conduct a with=hunt then I'll be delighted to know.

Of course this was precisely the reason why the HRA was brought in the first place

:lol:

No incident, no breach of licence condition.

The council breached its procedures. Lang should have written to Garry and asked his version of events. he didn't.

The matter is put before the cab inspector to see whether the police should be involved. So, the Cab Inspector contacted Garry to establish this, according to the procedures. That being the case Garry has the right to remain silent in the face of a police investigation.

This being a civil matter, and no police intervention required, the matter should have remained within the civil process. It didn't However, Garry clearly did not hinder the cab inspector in his cab inspector duties. No breach of licensing condition here then.

Finally the condition which says that Garry should give his side of events. he wasn't asked to. Procedure breached, no licensing condition breached.

And faced with such wholesale breach of its own procedures, why would anyone want to submit to the Kangaroo Court so that councillors could laugh while breaching his human rights to equality before the law and a fair hearing?

The council is in serious trouble here.

It has to be stopped.

And bet on the fact that this episode, and his conduct, is going to follow Keir until his political career is at an end. He's made a rod for his own back.


What a bleeding fruit loop.

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What a bleeding fruit loop.



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What did he do jimmy boy,

Perhaps it is far too embarrasing.


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The allegation is ....

On the balance of probability, correct.


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Frank Lay wrote:
The allegation is ....



Unchallenged :shock:

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I don't understand why you are reluctant to tell us what the complaint was about.

You can simply give the details of the complaint as given to you.
Simply as a matter of fact statement.

You don't need to challenge it if you don't want,
You don't have to make any comment at all.


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the story i got fae the boy's on haymarket rank was,he was caught in the back of jim failyor's tx1 no1177 both o them starkers in the holyrood park wi superside's on :shock:

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Well, that would explain why they are unwilling to tell us what the allegation was.


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the story i got fae the boy's on haymarket rank was,he was caught in the back of jim failyor's tx1 no1177 both o them starkers in the holyrood park wi superside's on :shock:


Ah well that's only a 30 quid fine! :roll:

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i like to think of this as a social experiment.(as im sure skull does)

im pretty sure thats the only reason any details of any alleged allegation have not been forthcoming. :D

and does it no just work a treat on you lot :roll:


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Frank Lay wrote:
The allegation is ....

On the balance of probability, correct.


Is keeping the allegation secret a viable position for the local authority?

There are obviously no criminal charges to be pressed otherwise Garry would have been cautioned by the police.

Perhaps a FOI?

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