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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:43 pm 
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So do you think the council should have a sanction other than revocation?
If so what?
If not it would mean drivers would lose their licence for minor things.

Councils have the option to take drivers to the courts, and let them decide the level of punishment.

Which could be a fine, a conditional discharge, a ban or whatever they court thinks is most suitable.

But councillors don't like that as the courts, in the main, play by the rules/laws.

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You can't have taxi drivers doing whatever they like, and be accountable to no-one.

You operate under a type of street traders licence issued by the council, and they can only be issued by them.

If discipline was out sourced to an independent body, it would have to be done by the council, and then YOU would say that the independent body were nothing more than the councils puppets.

Whatever body held you accountable, you would be saying they had no right to do so.

Where you a punk in your younger days, because what you seem to want is anarchy.


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Frank Lay wrote:
You can't have taxi drivers doing whatever they like, and be accountable to no-one.

Who says they are or aren't accountable to no-one.

If a driver has an argument or disagreement with a third party then the police can investigate to see if a public order offence has taken place.

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Sussex wrote:
Frank Lay wrote:
So do you think the council should have a sanction other than revocation?
If so what?
If not it would mean drivers would lose their licence for minor things.

Councils have the option to take drivers to the courts, and let them decide the level of punishment.

Which could be a fine, a conditional discharge, a ban or whatever they court thinks is most suitable.

But councillors don't like that as the courts, in the main, play by the rules/laws.



Sussex,
You can't have drivers being taken to court for minor things like being excessively rude to passengers.
The rules for a taxi driver need to cover more than what is a criminal offence.


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Frank Lay wrote:
Sussex wrote:
Frank Lay wrote:
So do you think the council should have a sanction other than revocation?
If so what?
If not it would mean drivers would lose their licence for minor things.

Councils have the option to take drivers to the courts, and let them decide the level of punishment.

Which could be a fine, a conditional discharge, a ban or whatever they court thinks is most suitable.

But councillors don't like that as the courts, in the main, play by the rules/laws.



Sussex,
You can't have drivers being taken to court for minor things like being excessively rude to passengers.
The rules for a taxi driver need to cover more than what is a criminal offence.


If you start by protecting taxi drivers from members of the public, the Cab Inspector and the council the rest might just fall into place, don't you think? :-|


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Frank Lay wrote:
Sussex wrote:
Frank Lay wrote:
So do you think the council should have a sanction other than revocation?
If so what?
If not it would mean drivers would lose their licence for minor things.

Councils have the option to take drivers to the courts, and let them decide the level of punishment.

Which could be a fine, a conditional discharge, a ban or whatever they court thinks is most suitable.

But councillors don't like that as the courts, in the main, play by the rules/laws.



Sussex,
You can't have drivers being taken to court for minor things like being excessively rude to passengers.
The rules for a taxi driver need to cover more than what is a criminal offence.


But you can have the butcher, the baker and the bus driver take their living away?? :?

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Skull wrote:
Frank Lay wrote:
Sussex wrote:
Frank Lay wrote:
So do you think the council should have a sanction other than revocation?
If so what?
If not it would mean drivers would lose their licence for minor things.

Councils have the option to take drivers to the courts, and let them decide the level of punishment.

Which could be a fine, a conditional discharge, a ban or whatever they court thinks is most suitable.

But councillors don't like that as the courts, in the main, play by the rules/laws.



Sussex,
You can't have drivers being taken to court for minor things like being excessively rude to passengers.
The rules for a taxi driver need to cover more than what is a criminal offence.


If you start by protecting taxi drivers from members of the public, the Cab Inspector and the council the rest might just fall into place, don't you think? :-|


Well others with better intentions have been asking for cameras,
and by talk and behaving in a reasonable manner,
And these are now coming.

But rather than push for practical ways to protect drivers, you just carry on trying to be a martyr. But no-one cares.


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gusmac wrote:
Frank Lay wrote:
Sussex wrote:
Frank Lay wrote:
So do you think the council should have a sanction other than revocation?
If so what?
If not it would mean drivers would lose their licence for minor things.

Councils have the option to take drivers to the courts, and let them decide the level of punishment.

Which could be a fine, a conditional discharge, a ban or whatever they court thinks is most suitable.

But councillors don't like that as the courts, in the main, play by the rules/laws.



Sussex,
You can't have drivers being taken to court for minor things like being excessively rude to passengers.
The rules for a taxi driver need to cover more than what is a criminal offence.


But you can have the butcher, the baker and the bus driver take their living away?? :?


Those are simply figures that represent the general public, why is that wrong?.
It's democracy.

I don't think the taxi trade should police itself, Do you?
Just like the police investigate themselves.

Can you imagine the infighting if that was the case.


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Frank Lay wrote:
Skull wrote:
Frank Lay wrote:
Sussex wrote:
Frank Lay wrote:
So do you think the council should have a sanction other than revocation?
If so what?
If not it would mean drivers would lose their licence for minor things.

Councils have the option to take drivers to the courts, and let them decide the level of punishment.

Which could be a fine, a conditional discharge, a ban or whatever they court thinks is most suitable.

But councillors don't like that as the courts, in the main, play by the rules/laws.



Sussex,
You can't have drivers being taken to court for minor things like being excessively rude to passengers.
The rules for a taxi driver need to cover more than what is a criminal offence.


If you start by protecting taxi drivers from members of the public, the Cab Inspector and the council the rest might just fall into place, don't you think? :-|


Well others with better intentions have been asking for cameras,
and by talk and behaving in a reasonablr manner,
And these are now coming.

But rather than push for practical ways to protect drivers, you just carry on trying to be a martyr. But no-one cares.


No martyr here but if we win then things can only get better. I'll settle for compensation.

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Ye, Come the revolution, or at least some cash!

You've got no chance of either.


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Frank Lay wrote:

Those are simply figures that represent the general public, why is that wrong?.
It's democracy.


Politicians rarely do what is just or right, they just pretend to give a stuff often enough to get re elected.
Politics shouldn't come into it.

Democracy is supposedly the will of the people.
Left to the people, you would have had bankers strung up from every lamp post in Princes Street a couple of years ago.

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I don't think the taxi trade should police itself, Do you?
Just like the police investigate themselves.

Can you imagine the infighting if that was the case.


No I don't think we should be policed by ourselves.
Nor do I think we should be judged by the same people who make the rules up.

When someone's living is on the line, an independent and impartial person or panel should be looking at it.
Not a bunch of politicians with one eye on public opinion and another on their own interests.

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gusmac wrote:
Frank Lay wrote:

Those are simply figures that represent the general public, why is that wrong?.
It's democracy.


Politicians rarely do what is just or right, they just pretend to give a stuff often enough to get re elected.
Politics shouldn't come into it.

Democracy is supposedly the will of the people.
Left to the people, you would have had bankers strung up from every lamp post in Princes Street a couple of years ago.

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I don't think the taxi trade should police itself, Do you?
Just like the police investigate themselves.

Can you imagine the infighting if that was the case.


No I don't think we should be policed by ourselves.
Nor do I think we should be judged by the same people who make the rules up.

When someone's living is on the line, an independent and impartial person or panel should be looking at it.
Not a bunch of politicians with one eye on public opinion and another on their own interests.


Well, tell me who?


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But do bear in mind that we operate under a council licence.

The only real alternative is VOSA, and trust me you don't want that.


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Frank Lay wrote:
gusmac wrote:
Frank Lay wrote:

Those are simply figures that represent the general public, why is that wrong?.
It's democracy.


Politicians rarely do what is just or right, they just pretend to give a stuff often enough to get re elected.
Politics shouldn't come into it.

Democracy is supposedly the will of the people.
Left to the people, you would have had bankers strung up from every lamp post in Princes Street a couple of years ago.

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I don't think the taxi trade should police itself, Do you?
Just like the police investigate themselves.

Can you imagine the infighting if that was the case.


No I don't think we should be policed by ourselves.
Nor do I think we should be judged by the same people who make the rules up.

When someone's living is on the line, an independent and impartial person or panel should be looking at it.
Not a bunch of politicians with one eye on public opinion and another on their own interests.


Well, tell me who?


The only power a council wealds under the 1982 act, is the right to determine who is or isn't fit and proper to hold the licence.
I'd feel a lot better if that determination was made by a Sheriff.

If the council are happy to grant or renew the licence, then they should do so.
If not, refer the application to the court to decide, where it can be looked at in the light of day and within the rules of evidence and the law.

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Frank Lay wrote:
Those are simply figures that represent the general public, why is that wrong?.
It's democracy.



But isn't it the case that JPs/magistrates who were also councillors were barred from hearing criminal cases because the latter position compromised their impartiality as JPs and thus the right to a fair trial under the Human Rights Act?

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