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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:51 pm 
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Can someone tell me how getting into the front of one of these

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is any harder for the ambulant disabled than getting into the front of one of these?
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That's not the best example of a WAV now is it :roll:


It is what many will be buying in Dundee if 100% WAV goes ahead.

BTW, we have all sorts licensed as "saloon" taxis here, including 1 of these
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Other "saloon" taxis include E7s and other WAVs with the Wheelchair gear removed, also 8 seat minibuses etc.
So maybe the definition of a saloon needs work also?

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We've got one of those as well and at least all those pictured are one colour :lol: :wink:

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Looks like the Disabled lobby don't want a 100% WAV fleet.

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/News/Dundee ... ility.html


Echoes of 2003 with Ms Goodhall batting for the other side now !

Wonder who approached her this time ??


As a wheelchair operator is your viewpoint that all disabled shouldn't be catered for or is the value of your plate more important, after all, you stated regards dad's army, who I might add, the majority don't have a corporate plate so we have nothing to gain but you do, but the majority of disabled have something to lose, there is more disabled in society who are not wheelchair bound but you are only concerned with the 1% of the population who are, or, do you only want everybody to be playing on the same playing field as yourself, you received your licence with wheelchair regulations attached I might add you excepted that when you applied so you knew what you were applying for, but don’t forget, when you applied for your licence your conditions were laid out quite clearly before you, the main condition was you had to be wheelchair compliant, when I applied for my licence I didn’t have these conditions applied to my licence, so because these conditions are applied to you this to me sounds like sour grapes , if you didn’t except these conditions then why apply for the licence, you knew the Council were creating a 2 tier system, you knew that when you applied.

Let’s be brutally honest you and your counterparts aren’t interested in the disabled, you could tell that by your response to Jan Goodall, you lot are only interested in your own self interests, If someone stands up and speaks on behalf of the disabled and it doesn’t meet your ideological views of your vision of the taxi trade, so let’s just dismiss it, again HYPOCRISY springs to mind.
Why do members of the public walk passed wheelchair accessible vehicles and enter a saloon, not the colour, not the driver maybe because they find it easier to enter the vehicle, are you trying to tell me, what you are fighting for is for the benefit of the disabled, are you saying the elderly and the infirm should struggle to enter some of these vehicles, this is down to one thing and one thing only if you have to be forced to put on this standard of vehicle to have a licence so everyone else in the trade should do the same.

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Wow ! i'm impressed ! now that's the words of a future Wheelchair Association Leader and chief Spin Doctor...

Would you mind if i proposed you next AGM. :wink:


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You knew the conditions of your licence when you applied now take the dummy out and live with it.


As did you. The council has the right to vary your licence conditions at any time, a fact you should have been well aware of.

Tell us, what steps have you taken to make it easier for this army of ambient disabled people to use your saloons?
None, I suspect.

Your concern for the disabled, ambient or otherwise, is rather belated and just another ploy to maintain your trading advantage.

This report, which has buttholes twitching all over Scotland, was a direct response to your attempts to close down a market in which you hold a favourable position and to enshrine that favourable position with a corporate status which you could eventually sell on for a profit when you were finished exploiting it.

Any of you could have applied for a corporate licence at any time and you still can, but that would mean licensing a WAV, wouldn't it?
I'm sure none of you will do that until you absolutely have to.

The author of this report has seen straight through your greed and I sincerely hope your council does likewise.

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You knew the conditions of your licence when you applied now take the dummy out and live with it.


As did you. The council has the right to vary your licence conditions at any time, a fact you should have been well aware of.

Tell us, what steps have you taken to make it easier for this army of ambient disabled people to use your saloons?
None, I suspect.

Your concern for the disabled, ambient or otherwise, is rather belated and just another ploy to maintain your trading advantage.

This report, which has buttholes twitching all over Scotland, was a direct response to your attempts to close down a market in which you hold a favourable position and to enshrine that favourable position with a corporate status which you could eventually sell on for a profit when you were finished exploiting it.

Any of you could have applied for a corporate licence at any time and you still can, but that would mean licensing a WAV, wouldn't it?
I'm sure none of you will do that until you absolutely have to.

The author of this report has seen straight through your greed and I sincerely hope your council does likewise.


Why should I spit the dummy, if you listen to the Minister for Transports speech to the National Taxi Association even he makes the point that although they haven't worked out the percentages they are still favouring a mixed fleet.

And I quote!


"The Equality Act targets areas which have a quantity control policy and only a small proportion of wheelchair accessible taxis. It says that a licensing authority will not be able to refuse to grant a licence for a wheelchair accessible vehicle for the purpose of controlling taxi numbers until a certain proportion of taxis locally is wheelchair accessible. I can assure you that we will consult before deciding what the actual proportion will be. We have to make special provision in legislation identifying the proportion and we shall take account of your views on what it should be but I think the principle is a right one. The door to door nature of taxi travel is ideally suited to people who use wheelchairs and I think this is a good way to improve provision of wheelchair accessible taxis.

Before I leave this issue just let me reassure you that nothing in this new provision about taxi numbers will require taxi owners to get new vehicles. If you are in an area with quantity controls and you have a saloon car this will not force you to buy a new one. Rather it is all about giving opportunity to people who want to enter the taxi market with a wheelchair accessible taxi and simply cannot get a licence. I shall make an announcement in due course about our plans and timescale for bringing this section into force. "

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And if there's anybody left out there that does'nt have a swivel chair
I predict a riot
I predict a riot...... :cry:


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Over & Out wrote:

You are probably right as I have heard that although the Unite Union & DTA are looking favourably at the option one they are also considering forms of quality control, where by your new wav will have to be brand new on inception and a possible age limit of 6 years after the date of registration. This is the only way to stop people putting on 13 year old buckets and it will also go a long way to keeping the standards high and ousting the people who are only playing at the game.


A decent standard of testing would prevent anyone from licensing a bucket.
Age limits are only a substitute for a failing inspection regime.

Or maybe just a spat out dummy...................

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Whats wrong with having a dedicated wheelchair company, who can be called 24/7 in each area.
Where all the vehicles can take virtually every type of wheelchair, with fully medically trained drivers.
Just suppose you pick up a wheelchair job and the punter takes ill in your cab, apart from dialing 999 and trying to take care of the punter, what do you do in the case of a suspected heart attack, its almost imposable to administer CPR in the upright position, in the cramped confines of most cabs.
Oh just in case you don't know how, undo the wheelchair belts tip the wheelchair back and then administer CPR if required, now when you do eventually get a wheelchair in your cab just have a look at how much room you have to do this


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So, tell me why is PH in Edinburgh wanting to add WAV PH to its fleet?


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Outcome....deferred...

Why can a Councillor who's never sat on a Taxi Liasion
Group meeting vote for consultation and, by doing so, influence other Councillors to vote for same ?

Nice move DTA..but the delay is inevitable :wink:

And all aside...think you gathered that today.


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Outcome....deferred...

Why can a Councillor who's never sat on a Taxi Liasion
Group meeting vote for consultation and, by doing so, influence other Councillors to vote for same ?

Nice move DTA..but the delay is inevitable :wink:

And all aside...think you gathered that today.


Nothing was going to happen until the Edinburgh decision is in. and the forthcoming election decided.

We said this previously.
One thing's for sure, if DDC wanted to put the cap back on, thenit would have been a done deal.

It clearly isn't.


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Whats wrong with having a dedicated wheelchair company, who can be called 24/7 in each area.
Where all the vehicles can take virtually every type of wheelchair, with fully medically trained drivers.
Just suppose you pick up a wheelchair job and the punter takes ill in your cab, apart from dialing 999 and trying to take care of the punter, what do you do in the case of a suspected heart attack, its almost imposable to administer CPR in the upright position, in the cramped confines of most cabs.
Oh just in case you don't know how, undo the wheelchair belts tip the wheelchair back and then administer CPR if required, now when you do eventually get a wheelchair in your cab just have a look at how much room you have to do this


A company who can only charge the metered fare and nothing more. Like that is going to happen.

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skippy41 wrote:

Oh just in case you don't know how, undo the wheelchair belts tip the wheelchair back and then administer CPR if required, now when you do eventually get a wheelchair in your cab just have a look at how much room you have to do this


Giving out advice like this?

Anyone does this and it goes t*ts up, then you Skipopy4 are gonna get your a*s sued off.


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tx_op wrote:
Outcome....deferred...

Why can a Councillor who's never sat on a Taxi Liasion
Group meeting vote for consultation and, by doing so, influence other Councillors to vote for same ?

Nice move DTA..but the delay is inevitable :wink:

And all aside...think you gathered that today.


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