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Out of a fare of say £30, how much does the driver have to give to Arrow, based on a previous post where it states that the customer pays the driver and that Arrow are just the booking agent?


I can say from LBA to Leeds it's about £23 with Arrow (as on the e-book)

Driver gets about £13/14, then a pound taken off to go to Mr Richmond as all airport jobs are essentially account jobs on the autocab system (Paid by card). Rest goes to Mr Richmond


There is no way on gods given earth that I would do a job that generated £23.00 and then only get £13/14 of it. The drivers must be nuts ffs

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Out of a fare of say £30, how much does the driver have to give to Arrow, based on a previous post where it states that the customer pays the driver and that Arrow are just the booking agent?


I can say from LBA to Leeds it's about £23 with Arrow (as on the e-book)

Driver gets about £13/14, then a pound taken off to go to Mr Richmond as all airport jobs are essentially account jobs on the autocab system (Paid by card). Rest goes to Mr Richmond


There is no way on gods given earth that I would do a job that generated £23.00 and then only get £13/14 of it. The drivers must be nuts ffs


For the mileage done the £13/14 is a fair amount at the meter rate. So they don't complain. Arrow are just ripping the customer off.


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Vausey wrote:
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Out of a fare of say £30, how much does the driver have to give to Arrow, based on a previous post where it states that the customer pays the driver and that Arrow are just the booking agent?


I can say from LBA to Leeds it's about £23 with Arrow (as on the e-book)

Driver gets about £13/14, then a pound taken off to go to Mr Richmond as all airport jobs are essentially account jobs on the autocab system (Paid by card). Rest goes to Mr Richmond


There is no way on gods given earth that I would do a job that generated £23.00 and then only get £13/14 of it. The drivers must be nuts ffs


For the mileage done the £13/14 is a fair amount at the meter rate. So they don't complain. Arrow are just ripping the customer off.


You say Arrow are just ripping the customer off, I don't see it that way. If a customer pays me £23 then I want the £23. I'd quite happily pay Arrow a set amount per job or settle each week (depending on how much they wanted and how much I earned), what I'm not going to do is pay £10 for the privilege of earning £13/14

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[quote="cheshirebest"]The answer to the question for this topic...''have hc's lost manchester airport''.....is simple
No...
Arrow are the fourth (4th) such company that has tried to operate from manchester airport and like others it will FAIL.....
There is no way maplc can remove hackney drivers from the airport...since the airport is owned by manchester city council (55%)...and other councils in greater manchester and it would become a political matter which would end up at the prime ministers office. It is manchester council that licences the hackneys as well as ph like Arrow cars.....
Most people arriving at the airport know how they are being transported from the airport...its either...ph pre-booked....trains...buses...private ........WE SAID THAT 3 YEARS AGO IN LEEDS - ARROW ARE STILL THERE AND WE ARE BLOCKING LEEDS TOWN CENTRE UP

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The hackney trade met solicitors at the Airport again today (Fri). Legistlation was discussed to see if anything could be done legally to stop Arrow cars starting. The meeting broke up with all parties agreeing to start collecting for a fighting fund.

A copy of Arrow cars driver application form was discussed. I will explain a few points below, please dont question me at this time on this because I have only had highlights read out to me over a mobile. I will recieve a copy tomorrow, which I will post on here.

1. You hire their car, a silver low Emission Volvo on an 11 plate (new). The cost is £199 on a single track. The cost for 2 drivers sharing is £140 each £280.

2. the driver is responsible for cleaning and fuel (obviously) BUT he is also responsible for Tyres and any windscreen replacement.

3. the driver will recieve 69% of any and all fares, 31% goes to the company.

4. You will wear company uniform, Company blazer, black trousers and shoes, white shirt and compnay tie. (no mention of who pays for these, I will let you guess.)

5. Any driver who refuses any job less than £30 will be sent home for 24 hours.

6. Cars will be ranked up outside each terminal, these will be fed from Arrow cars holding pen to the rear of terminal 2.

7. I am no good at sums, BUT by my reckoning a driver will have to take £784 in fares to recieve a wage of £300, assuming his fuel is 20% of gross.

As I said these are of the top of my head, will update contract when I recieve tomorrow.


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7. I am no good at sums, BUT by my reckoning a driver will have to take £784 in fares to recieve a wage of £300, assuming his fuel is 20% of gross.

The problem is that there are 1000s of people out of work, not earning a bean, who would be well pleased with that. :sad:

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and press-ganging was abolished 200 years ago, if they dont like it.......

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6. Cars will be ranked up outside each terminal, these will be fed from Arrow cars holding pen to the rear of terminal 2.



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There is no way maplc can remove hackney drivers from the airport...since the airport is owned by manchester city council (55%)...and other councils in greater manchester and it would become a political matter which would end up at the prime ministers office.


They wont be ranking anywhere except the holding pen, as it states above the airport roads are on public not private land, owned by MCC
It would therefore be totally illegal to rank
I am sure Brum will find the correct legislation and post it :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:37 pm 
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The hackney trade met solicitors at the Airport again today (Fri). Legistlation was discussed to see if anything could be done legally to stop Arrow cars starting. The meeting broke up with all parties agreeing to start collecting for a fighting fund.

A copy of Arrow cars driver application form was discussed. I will explain a few points below, please dont question me at this time on this because I have only had highlights read out to me over a mobile. I will recieve a copy tomorrow, which I will post on here.

1. You hire their car, a silver low Emission Volvo on an 11 plate (new). The cost is £199 on a single track. The cost for 2 drivers sharing is £140 each £280.

2. the driver is responsible for cleaning and fuel (obviously) BUT he is also responsible for Tyres and any windscreen replacement.

3. the driver will recieve 69% of any and all fares, 31% goes to the company.

4. You will wear company uniform, Company blazer, black trousers and shoes, white shirt and compnay tie. (no mention of who pays for these, I will let you guess.)

5. Any driver who refuses any job less than £30 will be sent home for 24 hours.

6. Cars will be ranked up outside each terminal, these will be fed from Arrow cars holding pen to the rear of terminal 2.

7. I am no good at sums, BUT by my reckoning a driver will have to take £784 in fares to recieve a wage of £300, assuming his fuel is 20% of gross.

As I said these are of the top of my head, will update contract when I recieve tomorrow.


Looks more like paying to be employed without all the benefits of employment to me :?

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bloody good earner

for arrow, fair play to em i say

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Looks more like paying to be employed without all the benefits of employment to me :?

That's where I would suggest the local cab trade aim their fire power. :wink:

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tom2907 wrote:
The hackney trade met solicitors at the Airport again today (Fri). Legistlation was discussed to see if anything could be done legally to stop Arrow cars starting. The meeting broke up with all parties agreeing to start collecting for a fighting fund.

A copy of Arrow cars driver application form was discussed. I will explain a few points below, please dont question me at this time on this because I have only had highlights read out to me over a mobile. I will recieve a copy tomorrow, which I will post on here.

1. You hire their car, a silver low Emission Volvo on an 11 plate (new). The cost is £199 on a single track. The cost for 2 drivers sharing is £140 each £280.

2. the driver is responsible for cleaning and fuel (obviously) BUT he is also responsible for Tyres and any windscreen replacement.

3. the driver will recieve 69% of any and all fares, 31% goes to the company.

4. You will wear company uniform, Company blazer, black trousers and shoes, white shirt and compnay tie. (no mention of who pays for these, I will let you guess.)

5. Any driver who refuses any job less than £30 will be sent home for 24 hours.

6. Cars will be ranked up outside each terminal, these will be fed from Arrow cars holding pen to the rear of terminal 2.

7. I am no good at sums, BUT by my reckoning a driver will have to take £784 in fares to recieve a wage of £300, assuming his fuel is 20% of gross.

As I said these are of the top of my head, will update contract when I recieve tomorrow.


Looks more like paying to be employed without all the benefits of employment to me :?


I believe that's what the revenue call "bogus self-employment"

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Looks more like paying to be employed without all the benefits of employment to me :?

That's where I would suggest the local cab trade aim their fire power. :wink:


Lets hope they do. I hate people who try to avoid paying their due when they do indeed employ people but pretend they don't :roll:

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I am no good at sums, BUT by my reckoning a driver will have to take £784 in fares to recieve a wage of £300, assuming his fuel is 20% of gross.


So 6 x 12= 72 hours at £4.16 an hour if they are lucky, now considering the min wage is now £6.05 PH need I say more

Our local Volvo dealer John Cleland (yes the former saloon car champ) is selling those Volvos for £199 a month


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considering the min wage is now £6.05 PH


No it isn't! It is £5.93 per hour and will rise to £6.08 in October.

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