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 Post subject: Re: Allegation II
PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:41 pm 
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So tell me, how does non attendance at court or a council hearing establish the guilt of the accused ?

Non attendance at court will, providing the other side attend, guarantee a defeat, and a very large cost and fine bill.

A will give a common example.

Speeding fine. Doing 42 in a 30 zone.

Firstly the defendant should take the fixed penalty if he is offered one.

If not, and if the defendant doesn't attend court, the fine will be £350, the costs will be about £45, and a victim surcharge of £15 will apply. Even though there is no victim. :?

Leaving a bill of £410.

And this is the only bill, other than poll tax, that will lead to imprisonment if you don't pay.


You could not be jailed in Scotland for poll tax evasion :D


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 Post subject: Re: Allegation II
PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:49 pm 
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You could not be jailed in Scotland for poll tax evasion :D

Only because they couldn't afford to build the extra 100s of prisons needed.

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You lot are a disgrace


That's only in the opinion of you and your partner, but, we've all still got our licenses :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: So what does that say about you :-|

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 Post subject: Re: Allegation II
PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:07 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
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So tell me, how does non attendance at court or a council hearing establish the guilt of the accused ?

Non attendance at court will, providing the other side attend, guarantee a defeat, and a very large cost and fine bill.

A will give a common example.

Speeding fine. Doing 42 in a 30 zone.

Firstly the defendant should take the fixed penalty if he is offered one.

If not, and if the defendant doesn't attend court, the fine will be £350, the costs will be about £45, and a victim surcharge of £15 will apply. Even though there is no victim. :?

Leaving a bill of £410.




And this is the only bill, other than poll tax, that will lead to imprisonment if you don't pay.



Road traffic offences are a completely different ball game.

If charged with looking at kiddie porn you wouldn't be convicted of the offence because you failed to appear in court. And what's more without evidence it's extremely unlikely it would make it into court in the first place.

You would simply be arrested for failing to appear on a separate charge and probably remanded in custody until your case was heard. :-|


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toots wrote:
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You lot are a disgrace


That's only in the opinion of you and your partner, but, we've all still got our licenses :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: So what does that say about you :-|


It says I had enough of the job before the licence was suspended. I was down on average about £250 a week. I wasn't making enough money to justify taking the [edited by admin] that you would accept.
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 Post subject: Re: Allegation II
PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:33 pm 
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If charged with looking at kiddie porn you wouldn't be convicted of the offence because you failed to appear in court. And what's more without evidence it's extremely unlikely it would make it into court in the first place.

Whatever crime a person is charged with they must attend court to answer that charge. Some are of course already in custody, but others are summonsed to court.

If a defendant doesn't answer the summons i.e. turn up in court, an arrest warrant will be issued, no matter what offence the individual is charged with.

So in essence the individual will always attend court to answer the charge.

Once the charge is put to them they will either plead guilty or not guilty. If guilty they can be dealt with then or bailed until a later date. If not guilty they will be bailed to a later date.

When they are bailed they will be told if they don't answer their bail i.e. attend court as and when, the case will go ahead without them.

And 99.9% of the time it does.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:47 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
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If charged with looking at kiddie porn you wouldn't be convicted of the offence because you failed to appear in court. And what's more without evidence it's extremely unlikely it would make it into court in the first place.

Whatever crime a person is charged with they must attend court to answer that charge. Some are of course already in custody, but others are summonsed to court.

If a defendant doesn't answer the summons i.e. turn up in court, an arrest warrant will be issued, no matter what offence the individual is charged with.

So in essence the individual will always attend court to answer the charge.

Once the charge is put to them they will either plead guilty or not guilty. If guilty they can be dealt with then or bailed until a later date. If not guilty they will be bailed to a later date.

When they are bailed they will be told if they don't answer their bail i.e. attend court as and when, the case will go ahead without them.

And 99.9% of the time it does.



Correct, but you wouldn't be convicted without evidence. You might be charged as a consequence of an allegation but the CPO or Procurator Fiscal in Scotland would throw it out. I'm sure you need at least two forms of corroboration to confirm that some fact or statement is true or the charge would be dropped.

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 Post subject: Re: Allegation II
PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:01 pm 
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Correct, but you wouldn't be convicted without evidence. You might be charged as a consequence of an allegation but the CPO or Procurator Fiscal in Scotland would throw it out. I'm sure you need at least two forms of corroboration to confirm that some fact or statement is true or the charge would be dropped.

Your point about evidence is correct, and that evidence would have to given to the court in person by the witness, although police can give some evidence via section 10 statements, i.e. they don't always need to attend.

In your case the witness/aggrieved/informant would have to attend court. If not a not guilty verdict would be made by the court.

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the scenario I put to the muppets had three established facts:


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Fact, you are on the rank sitting in your vehicle. CCTV footage establishes you were there at the time and place.

Fact, you were looking at a magazine. We can see that from the CCTV footage also.

Fact, I walked passed and looked in your window and saw what you were looking at in the magazine. This too is captured on CCTV.


Unfortunately, even if I what I claimed was true and the individual was guilty of looking at kiddie porn. Without the pictures, another witness or some other piece of evidence the case would never have made it into court. :-|


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 Post subject: Re: Allegation II
PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:25 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
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Correct, but you wouldn't be convicted without evidence. You might be charged as a consequence of an allegation but the CPO or Procurator Fiscal in Scotland would throw it out. I'm sure you need at least two forms of corroboration to confirm that some fact or statement is true or the charge would be dropped.

Your point about evidence is correct, and that evidence would have to given to the court in person by the witness, although police can give some evidence via section 10 statements, i.e. they don't always need to attend.

In your case the witness/aggrieved/informant would have to attend court. If not a not guilty verdict would be made by the court.


When making a decision based on a balance of probability, an allegation alone falls way short of the mark of what is credible evidence. And what is more, you are not allowed the opportunity to test the veracity of the allegation by cross examining your accuser.

A loaded dice one might claim.

btw, this is at the council hearing.


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 Post subject: Re: Allegation II
PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 12:20 am 
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Skull wrote:
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Correct, but you wouldn't be convicted without evidence. You might be charged as a consequence of an allegation but the CPO or Procurator Fiscal in Scotland would throw it out. I'm sure you need at least two forms of corroboration to confirm that some fact or statement is true or the charge would be dropped.

Your point about evidence is correct, and that evidence would have to given to the court in person by the witness, although police can give some evidence via section 10 statements, i.e. they don't always need to attend.

In your case the witness/aggrieved/informant would have to attend court. If not a not guilty verdict would be made by the court.


When making a decision based on a balance of probability, an allegation alone falls way short of the mark of what is credible evidence. And what is more, you are not allowed the opportunity to test the veracity of the allegation by cross examining your accuser.

A loaded dice one might claim.

btw, this is at the council hearing.


FFS GARRY GET A LIFE.

Your stupid scenario is just that. You cannot compare criminal with civil.
What is evident is that the Council, being a civil body, go on the balance of probability and since you adopted an arrogant attitude by refusing to respond to the allegation, you made it appear more probable that you did arrogantly make obscene gestures or comments to a member of the public.

Where is your corroboration that the complainant is a liar? Or is he not allowed to be innocent until proven guilty? You have consistently failed to tell the whole story and instead choose to feed us half-truths to make yourself look like the victim so why should anyone believe you?

Also what you haven't said is that your licence was suspended, not just because of the original incident, but because of your failure to comply with your licensing conditions by responding to authorised officers etc.

Had you ignored the failyor's advice (Jasbar who doesn't risk his own livelihood) and gone to the meeting, you would have loved being in front of them and possibly stuck it right up 'em.

Instead, you rightly lost for refusing to comply with licensing conditions; conditions which apply to everyone else.

Accept it and move on since you have now found that no solicitor will take your case and ignore taylor because he's already fed you enough bullshit


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 Post subject: Re: Allegation II
PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 12:32 am 
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swannee wrote:
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Sussex wrote:
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Correct, but you wouldn't be convicted without evidence. You might be charged as a consequence of an allegation but the CPO or Procurator Fiscal in Scotland would throw it out. I'm sure you need at least two forms of corroboration to confirm that some fact or statement is true or the charge would be dropped.

Your point about evidence is correct, and that evidence would have to given to the court in person by the witness, although police can give some evidence via section 10 statements, i.e. they don't always need to attend.

In your case the witness/aggrieved/informant would have to attend court. If not a not guilty verdict would be made by the court.


When making a decision based on a balance of probability, an allegation alone falls way short of the mark of what is credible evidence. And what is more, you are not allowed the opportunity to test the veracity of the allegation by cross examining your accuser.

A loaded dice one might claim.

btw, this is at the council hearing.


FFS GARRY GET A LIFE.

Your stupid scenario is just that. You cannot compare criminal with civil.
What is evident is that the Council, being a civil body, go on the balance of probability and since you adopted an arrogant attitude by refusing to respond to the allegation, you made it appear more probable that you did arrogantly make obscene gestures or comments to a member of the public.

Where is your corroboration that the complainant is a liar? Or is he not allowed to be innocent until proven guilty? You have consistently failed to tell the whole story and instead choose to feed us half-truths to make yourself look like the victim so why should anyone believe you?

Also what you haven't said is that your licence was suspended, not just because of the original incident, but because of your failure to comply with your licensing conditions by responding to authorised officers etc.

Had you ignored the failyor's advice (Jasbar who doesn't risk his own livelihood) and gone to the meeting, you would have loved being in front of them and possibly stuck it right up 'em.

Instead, you rightly lost for refusing to comply with licensing conditions; conditions which apply to everyone else.

Accept it and move on since you have now found that no solicitor will take your case and ignore taylor because he's already fed you enough bullshit


The council never followed their procedures. I did not receive the written complaint or asked to respond in writing. I was told the nature of the allegation over the phone which I denied. I was then asked to agree to an interview with the Cab Inspector, (Police Inspector) whom I declined telling him I had nothing further to say on the matter. As for their licensing conditions, it was never established to any degree that I breached any of them. They merely made the claim because I exercised my right not to speak to a malicious allegation and they chose to believe the complainant. And lets be quite clear, you can't breach a licence condition by exercising your rights. Your rights come first.

There were no witnesses, and no way to substantiate the complainant. Credible evidence was lacking in the extreme. To have spoken further to the allegation would have made no difference whatsoever as there was nothing more I could add.

In short, they made it up from the start to finish. The guy who made the allegation told a pack of lies and just happens to have a brother working in CRT, which tells another story. This was no member of the public aggrieved by my actions that's for sure.


Not that it would have made a difference in any case as it was a foregone conclusion my licence would be removed at the first opportunity. The councillors were not independent or impartial judges. Nor was I afforded the opportunity to cross examine my accuser to test the veracity of his allegation. A fair hearing was almost impossible under the circumstances.

You might find the above totally acceptable, but I have a little more respect for myself. That's why you lot, bend over and take it up the arse, and because you do it, they expect me to do the same.

The fact, that any of you find the above acceptable proves beyond a reasonable doubt that you are scum.

btw, the legal profession makes a fortune out of the CGSA, and turkeys don't vote for Christmas, only taxi drivers. :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Allegation II
PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:32 am 
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This was no member of the public aggrieved by my actions that's for sure.




So you now admit that you did do something to aggrieve him. :roll:

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Skull wrote:
the scenario I put to the muppets had three established facts:


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Fact, you are on the rank sitting in your vehicle. CCTV footage establishes you were there at the time and place.

Fact, you were looking at a magazine. We can see that from the CCTV footage also.

Fact, I walked passed and looked in your window and saw what you were looking at in the magazine. This too is captured on CCTV.


Unfortunately, even if I what I claimed was true and the individual was guilty of looking at kiddie porn. Without the pictures, another witness or some other piece of evidence the case would never have made it into court. :-|


Let me get this right, you've been accused of looking at Kiddie Porn?

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 Post subject: Re: Allegation II
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grandad wrote:
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This was no member of the public aggrieved by my actions that's for sure.




So you now admit that you did do something to aggrieve him. :roll:


This pash is precisely why you're not a lawyer.

Grow up.


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