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I thought Hailing points were from your neck of the woods Yorkie? Didnt they originate in Kirklees, I seem to remember it being written somewhere.

I do agree, with the whole town being a hailing point though, unfortunately not many customers know how to hail a cab anymore.

Thanks to JD and DAP for confirming this delimitation issue though, would have thought the police would have given input before the decision.

regards

Captain cab

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George Carlin

yes they do have Hail points in Kirklees, many ranks too!

but the ranks are sited in areas of population and the stops like council estates to go back to town.

the hail points described here are novel if not barmy, seeing there should be taxis shooting through by the second, dont see the point here.

the taxibuses in kirklees are going to cause a little titter they can stop anywhere exept taxi ranks and taxi points, they will stop at bus stops.

Thanks for that Yorkie, I was going to ask Mr Holliday when I spoke to him but it slipped my mind

Captain cab

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George Carlin

LOL Mr Sussex, it seems that you are finally waking up to the reality of life !
Yes, if you have money then you can do things.
If you read his letter he wants to operate a fleet of Taxis.
You and I will then work on his ''fleet'' and pay him ''rent''.
You can of course choose to work the ranks independently but there wont be enough work and too many drivers/cabs chasing too little.
However, if you want to earn the minimum wage work for this boss who will provide you with a licensed vehicle and work from which he will take the cream.
They will corner work at Airports/Train stations and anywhere else that has lucrative work.
Wake up Mr Sussex and stop dreaming of this wonderful life after de-limitation !

They should consider that the removal of the number of hackney carriages would quite clearly result in an increased fleet and easier access by existing users and latent users who are currently simply not able to get a taxi at peak periods of demand or at 'unsocial' hours.

So, now we should all be required to work ''unsocial'' hours whether we choose to or not ?

The taxi fleet would obviously increase but this may well be more than compensated by less use of private cars.

Debatable.

It is clearly preferential to clear the town centre as quickly as possible and an increased taxi fleet will help do so.


Existing taxi operators enjoy a cosy monopoly situation where they are able to pick and choose work periods to suit themselves rather than to serve the public.
Existing taxi operators are able to make a comfortable living from a short working period and evidence of this was in the current premium paid for plate transfers, anecdotally said to be in the order of £20,000 plus.

Dont most people choose the hours they work ? Mostly 9-5 !

Thus the existing drives will argue vehemently that their livings will suffer from the increased competition.
The reverse argument is more likely.
The increased fleet will create a competitive situation where vehicle, driver and service levels will rise steeply.

Delimitation of hackney carriage plates would encourage professional operators to enter the market or to expand existing operations.

Yes, Mr Profesional operator, we will all then work for you for £5.00 per hour !
Oh, and not forgetting your ''monopoly'' position !!

Chelmsford Borough Council, in its capacity as the Licensing and Enforcement Authority, should recognise that taxis are there for the benefit of the travelling public and not for the benefit of taxi owner and drivers.

Not forgetting the ''Professional'' operators !!

They are the only form of public transport that is available 24-hours-a-day, 365 days a year.

David Prior Operations Director Group Taxibus[/quote]

I can assure you CB that I'm fully aware of the real world.

That's been the PH real world for many years, and guess what, the PH trade has grown many times faster than the restricted cab trade.

Well as the cab trade is two thirds de-limited, then you will be able to give me plenty of examples of your doomsday senario.

But I bet you don't.

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relevent points

however, its a tad two faced to pontificate about a monopoly situation, aint that what limitation brings? While I would question the integrity of this particular person he does operate in a highly competative area of the market, new businesses are able to open up freely and compete, unlike the HC trade which is protected by sometimes false numbers in some areas.

If taxis are there for the benefit of the public and not the driver or owner, how can you justify being granted a license for nothing and then being in a position to sell it immediately for monetary gain? How does the public benefit from this?

Is it not fair to say that Chelmsford have considered the situation and have decided to delimit numbers to benefit the public?

Captain cab

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Shoucdn"t this read (relevent points AS I SEE THEM)


MR T

Not really.

Is it not a little bit of a cheek a person coming from a restricted market crying foul at a person who operates in a free market?

Again, I am all for the public getting a better service, but how exactly do the public benefit from the selling of permits?

It's also a little hard to believe that after the HC trade fought for local authorities to have the right to make decisions, that the same HC trade condemn them when they do amke a decision.

Fair enough, a survey should have perhaps been an option, but if they had spent the meeting going on about chelmsford instead of Atalanta, Georgia, then confusing the councillors with the OFT report, when they should have focused on a local level, they may have actually got a survey.

I know you argue on a local level, and I bet you use local arguments to forward your case, you are also probably experienced enough not to confuse the councillors with daft ridiculous figures.

Regards

Captain cab

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No MrT, the points Sussex raises are always relevent, it is only the people who post differing opinion that have irrelevant points.

Its the same argument he uses in the name of fairness, if its fair to him then its fair, if its fair to someone else then its unfair.

These are key points you need to understand before you can participate in these forums by offering fair and relative points. If you choose not to accept these key points then prepare yourself for a slagging match, its the only way they win.

B. FAIR

Have you been on the Newky Brown GA?

he was having a go at me

Captain cab

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My post was in answer to



the relevance of a persons postings depend on the experiences quoted.

The aspirations of fairness, in this case, are based on what Sussex considers to be fair to him, not what is fair to the consumer nor the current drivers or future of the trade.

He considers that by giving him, and his like, plates unmet demand would be met, but thats just pie in the sky, new drivers work the same hours on the rank that current drivers do which are the busy times, and as we know fro the PH sector it is impossible to meet demand at these times even with a derestricted policy.

B. Lucky

Its quite obvious that you are NOT.
Come to Manchester and see what is happening at the Airport.
Licences being misused and all sorts of laws being flouted but its okay cause the guy has money and ''connections''............Which you dont have !

That's been the PH real world for many years, and guess what, the PH trade has grown many times faster than the restricted cab trade.

In Manchester H/Cs need certain vehicles only which are expensive to buy and maintain. On the other hand P/H have been running around in £200 bangers so no wonder they grow faster. Its a cheaper way of entry!
AND
You will no doubt tell me...............Are you a RICH driver ? I know many Rich P/H Operators............So, they are earning money off your work ?
You always seem to complain about hackney owners earning rent off their drivers !
So, basically many hackney owners will be replaced by a few people with loads of money and a few connections !
So, thats okay is it ?

Well as the cab trade is two thirds de-limited, then you will be able to give me plenty of examples of your doomsday senario.

But I bet you don't. [/quote]

Its not a doomsday scenario.
Come and look at Manchester Airport and you will see an operator paying a wage of £300pw and now wants to go 60:40.
i.e. the driver gets 40% of the take !
So, to earn £400 you will nee to ''take'' £1,000...........You show me many drivers taking that !??
There will be no guarantees of any earnings so you could get LESS than minimum wages !
Look around you Mr Sussex and you can see the local shops all but gone to the multiples.
The same will happen to the Taxi/PH trade.
Wake Up Mr Sussex !

The situation at Manchester Airport has got nothing to do with PH. Those that are accused of acting illegal are not PH, and for that matter are currently being viewed as acting legally by those that count.

You thought you had won the lottery when Mr Crouch left, but you got a lot worse. That is the real world, the one you brought upon yourselves.

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IDFIMH

So what have you to fear from de-restriction, if those that could plate a decent WAV wont?

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IDFIMH