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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 3:46 pm 
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And now vehicle licensing say you now need a letter from your existing firm to say you are allowed to leave them i thought we were self employed


If you are self employed, you can work for whoever you like. It's in the definition.
If you can't, you're not self employed.

BTW, Sussex is right, who you work for has bugger all to do with the council.
Their job is to make sure licence holders are fit and proper and sticking to the rules.
Who you rent a car from or which radio circuit you use is not their concern, provided they are properly licenced.
Any agreements between drivers and their offices are a commercial matter, not a council one.

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I work for a pudsey firm.its nothing to do with the firm you work for a such but what as started to happen is Leeds is now mostly run by a few big private hire company's so they constantly in contact with vehicle licensing they seem to have a big say to what happens like for instance they lowered the age limit. From 8 years down to 7 year for a plate the big firms only rent up to 3 years old so they don't oppose it even embrace it. Some of them will only let you do an airport job if your car is 3 years or younger. Its vehicle licensing that are setting the age within the city so how is it possible for firms to have that power over a driver. And now yes the owners got together with vehicle licensing and decided that drivers now need a letter to leave a firm or they won't change your badge to your new firm even though you have a letter from your new employer. The main reason seems to be with a driver leaving a firm owing a weeks rent up. Even though the main reason a driver would probably owe the rent because he hasn't earn the money that's why he's leaving and that's surely between the owner and the driver legal action if necessary surely its not a issue for vehicle licensing

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my advice to you would be to move to Brighton.... they seem to be earning about £20 a hour even at the slow time. :roll:

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I work for a pudsey firm.its nothing to do with the firm you work for a such but what as started to happen is Leeds is now mostly run by a few big private hire company's so they constantly in contact with vehicle licensing they seem to have a big say to what happens like for instance they lowered the age limit. From 8 years down to 7 year for a plate the big firms only rent up to 3 years old so they don't oppose it even embrace it. Some of them will only let you do an airport job if your car is 3 years or younger. Its vehicle licensing that are setting the age within the city so how is it possible for firms to have that power over a driver. And now yes the owners got together with vehicle licensing and decided that drivers now need a letter to leave a firm or they won't change your badge to your new firm even though you have a letter from your new employer. The main reason seems to be with a driver leaving a firm owing a weeks rent up. Even though the main reason a driver would probably owe the rent because he hasn't earn the money that's why he's leaving and that's surely between the owner and the driver legal action if necessary surely its not a issue for vehicle licensing


If you are self employed, why do you keep refering to your employer?

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And now yes the owners got together with vehicle licensing and decided that drivers now need a letter to leave a firm or they won't change your badge to your new firm even though you have a letter from your new employer.


Very cosy and very illegal.

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The main reason seems to be with a driver leaving a firm owing a weeks rent up.


That's for the firm to pursue, nothing to do with the council.

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Even though the main reason a driver would probably owe the rent because he hasn't earn the money that's why he's leaving and that's surely between the owner and the driver legal action if necessary surely its not a issue for vehicle licensing


Correct. Licensing are over stepping the mark.

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or they won't change your badge to your new firm

I don't quite understand this one. :?
Can you explain?

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or they won't change your badge to your new firm

I don't quite understand this one. :?
Can you explain?


I would guess that this is to do with the paper part of your drivers badge. In my area you get the badge that you wear and a sheet of paper with all your badge details. This piece of paper is supposed to be given to the operator that you are going to drive for. Don't ask me why though. :?

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or they won't change your badge to your new firm

I don't quite understand this one. :?
Can you explain?


I would guess that this is to do with the paper part of your drivers badge. In my area you get the badge that you wear and a sheet of paper with all your badge details. This piece of paper is supposed to be given to the operator that you are going to drive for. Don't ask me why though. :?


I'm thinking that if it ties them to working for one firm - they cannot be self employed. :wink:

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gusmac wrote:
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or they won't change your badge to your new firm

I don't quite understand this one. :?
Can you explain?


I would guess that this is to do with the paper part of your drivers badge. In my area you get the badge that you wear and a sheet of paper with all your badge details. This piece of paper is supposed to be given to the operator that you are going to drive for. Don't ask me why though. :?


I'm thinking that if it ties them to working for one firm - they cannot be self employed. :wink:


I have often wondered that myself.

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the HMRC rules defining "self employed" are quite simple

Employment status: basic checks to help you decide
You can usually work out your employment status by asking a few straightforward questions.

You are probably self-employed if you:

run your own business and take responsibility for its success or failure
have several customers at the same time
can decide how, when and where you do your work
are free to hire other people to do the work for you or help you at your own expense
provide the main items of equipment to do your work


You are probably employed if you:

have to do the work yourself
work for one person at a time, who is in charge of what you do and takes on the risks of the business
can be told how, when and where you do your work
have to work a set amount of hours
are paid a regular amount according to the hours you work, and get paid for working overtime - even if you do casual or part-time work, you can still be employed

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Use this to work out if your an employee or self employed

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/calcs/esi.htm


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For the question why i said employed you can still be employed by a operator to do the work but be self employed your basically sub contract he but that's just symantics and that's not really what where discussing.yea you have to inform the council which firm you are working for and you have the firms operator number on your badge and vehicle licence

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you have the firms operator number on your badge and vehicle licence


I have never heard of that before.

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For the question why i said employed you can still be employed by a operator to do the work but be self employed your basically sub contract he but that's just symantics and that's not really what where discussing.yea you have to inform the council which firm you are working for and you have the firms operator number on your badge and vehicle licence


The situation you describe sounds like something out of the dark ages.
You need the firm your leaving and the council's permission to work for another firm?
Now you may consider that symantic, I'd call it exploitation and with the cannivance of the council.
Legally there is something you can do. Wasn't that your original question?
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I've been a private hire driver for 20 plus years in Leeds i am working for a private hire firm on a self employed basis paying 100 pounds in rent but after diesel and insurance and rent i am making an 4.50 an hour for a 50hour week as anybody got any ideas wot can be done legal wise or other besides leaving cheers

You have a council and PH firms who think they can treat drivers like property.
Question is are you prepared to do anything about it?

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It's not just the ph in Leeds that have to do this , it's the HC too .... Rumour has it it's to stop cars leaving companies owing money from subscriptions etc and moving to pastures new where the grass isn't always greener and inevitably end up begging to come back where the companies can't refuse in this climate

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It's not just the ph in Leeds that have to do this , it's the HC too .... Rumour has it it's to stop cars leaving companies owing money from subscriptions etc and moving to pastures new where the grass isn't always greener and inevitably end up begging to come back where the companies can't refuse in this climate


This is a blatent restriction of trade.
Is it a licence condition or a bye-law?

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