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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 2:22 pm 
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One of my drivers used to work as a booker/dispatcher for another company. The company insisted that he was self employed and paid him £3.50 per hour. Not knowing any better the chap went along with this.
I have checked using the ESI calculator on the HMRC website and after answering the questions the result has come back as "The worker is an employee."
This chap worked on the £3.50 per hour rate for 3 years before joining our company. Should he be able to claim back the difference between the minimum wage and what he actually got paid and if so, how should he go about it. I have worked out that based on a 40 hour week he has been underpaid by around £14,000.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:17 pm 
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One of my drivers used to work as a booker/dispatcher for another company. The company insisted that he was self employed and paid him £3.50 per hour. Not knowing any better the chap went along with this.
I have checked using the ESI calculator on the HMRC website and after answering the questions the result has come back as "The worker is an employee."
This chap worked on the £3.50 per hour rate for 3 years before joining our company. Should he be able to claim back the difference between the minimum wage and what he actually got paid and if so, how should he go about it. I have worked out that based on a 40 hour week he has been underpaid by around £14,000.


Looks like he has been take for a mug how old was he when he started as from 16 to 21 the min wage is lower
If he was over 21 he has been done and also the company owes the tax man and employer national insurance contributions


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:45 pm 
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This chap worked on the £3.50 per hour rate for 3 years before joining our company. Should he be able to claim back the difference between the minimum wage and what he actually got paid and if so, how should he go about it. I have worked out that based on a 40 hour week he has been underpaid by around £14,000.

He needs to contact the minimum wage folks and get them to fight his corner.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:15 am 
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This chap worked on the £3.50 per hour rate for 3 years before joining our company. Should he be able to claim back the difference between the minimum wage and what he actually got paid and if so, how should he go about it. I have worked out that based on a 40 hour week he has been underpaid by around £14,000.

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He needs to contact the minimum wage folks and get them to fight his corner.


Who are they Sussex and how do you contact them :?:
Scrub that its here
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/ ... G_10027201


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:24 am 
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skippy41 wrote:
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This chap worked on the £3.50 per hour rate for 3 years before joining our company. Should he be able to claim back the difference between the minimum wage and what he actually got paid and if so, how should he go about it. I have worked out that based on a 40 hour week he has been underpaid by around £14,000.

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He needs to contact the minimum wage folks and get them to fight his corner.


Who are they Sussex and how do you contact them :?:
Scrub that its here
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/ ... G_10027201


That must be the only page that I didn't find yesterday. Thanks Skippy, the form has been filled in and sent off.

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There's one firm round here that pay £2.00 an hour for base ops..

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There's one firm round here that pay £2.00 an hour for base ops..


How do they get away with that?

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There's one firm round here that pay £2.00 an hour for base ops..


How do they get away with that?


They've been doing it for years Toots, up until a few years ago they were paying £1 an hour.

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How do they get away with that?


Generally because the person concerned is claiming social!

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cabby john wrote:
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How do they get away with that?


Generally because the person concerned is claiming social!


That is sort of what happened in the case that I am refering to. The chap was a driver for the company but due to an illnes he was unable to drive for a while and was put on the sick. he was asked to work the switch by the company and was paid cash in hand. Yes I know how stupid he was but things got even more stupid when after 3 years of this and his illness over, he left that company and came to work for me on the books. His old company reported him for working whilst claiming benefits. They then produced what they said was a full list of his hours and pay stating that he was working the switch on a self employed basis not cash in hand.
He has held his hand up to working whilst receiving benefits and is repaying the "overpayment" of benefits.
Now it would seem that according to the ESI calculator from the web page provided by Skippy, that he should have been an employee and not self employed and with the company providng details of the hours that he worked and what he was paid for working those hours he should be able to claim from the company the difference.
I think that the company has made a rod for their own back by reporting him because as sure as eggs are eggs they will still be paying the same rate to the current person.
I am glad that all our staff are paid on the books. It may cost a bit more but at least I am not waiting for a knock on the door.

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cabby john wrote:
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How do they get away with that?


Generally because the person concerned is claiming social!


Ahh, and people are quite happy to turn a blind eye because they don't want to be known as a snitch

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I think anyone who "drives" someone else's desk would have a job to convince the relevant authorities that he/she is self employed.


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grandad wrote:
cabby john wrote:
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How do they get away with that?


Generally because the person concerned is claiming social!


That is sort of what happened in the case that I am refering to. The chap was a driver for the company but due to an illnes he was unable to drive for a while and was put on the sick. he was asked to work the switch by the company and was paid cash in hand. Yes I know how stupid he was but things got even more stupid when after 3 years of this and his illness over, he left that company and came to work for me on the books. His old company reported him for working whilst claiming benefits. They then produced what they said was a full list of his hours and pay stating that he was working the switch on a self employed basis not cash in hand.
He has held his hand up to working whilst receiving benefits and is repaying the "overpayment" of benefits.
Now it would seem that according to the ESI calculator from the web page provided by Skippy, that he should have been an employee and not self employed and with the company providng details of the hours that he worked and what he was paid for working those hours he should be able to claim from the company the difference.
I think that the company has made a rod for their own back by reporting him because as sure as eggs are eggs they will still be paying the same rate to the current person.
I am glad that all our staff are paid on the books. It may cost a bit more but at least I am not waiting for a knock on the door.


oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to decieve

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wannabeeahack wrote:
grandad wrote:
cabby john wrote:
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How do they get away with that?


Generally because the person concerned is claiming social!


That is sort of what happened in the case that I am refering to. The chap was a driver for the company but due to an illnes he was unable to drive for a while and was put on the sick. he was asked to work the switch by the company and was paid cash in hand. Yes I know how stupid he was but things got even more stupid when after 3 years of this and his illness over, he left that company and came to work for me on the books. His old company reported him for working whilst claiming benefits. They then produced what they said was a full list of his hours and pay stating that he was working the switch on a self employed basis not cash in hand.
He has held his hand up to working whilst receiving benefits and is repaying the "overpayment" of benefits.
Now it would seem that according to the ESI calculator from the web page provided by Skippy, that he should have been an employee and not self employed and with the company providng details of the hours that he worked and what he was paid for working those hours he should be able to claim from the company the difference.
I think that the company has made a rod for their own back by reporting him because as sure as eggs are eggs they will still be paying the same rate to the current person.
I am glad that all our staff are paid on the books. It may cost a bit more but at least I am not waiting for a knock on the door.


oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to decieve


Yes indeed.

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Midlander wrote:
There's one firm round here that pay £2.00 an hour for base ops..


You would make more begging in London, and I mean much more if you picked a decent spot.

The guy that 'works' the Victoria rank must be on £15 plus an hour, all tax free.

I may add I contribute zilch to his 'salary', but lots of other drivers give him a quid. There's hundreds of taxi movements through the Vic rank every hour, so work it out.

I do however give money to genuine Big Issue sellers, as they're showing willing to make themselves better.


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