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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 1:45 am 
I said the owners of the site TDO, and I mean't before this site was online.

I said an absolute age ago on TTF that Gateshead Council had deregulated, prior to the OFT that was the termanology used.

The owners of this site (I do know who they are) said at that time that the term Deregulation was being banded about as a scaremongering tactic by the HC trade and the words derestriction or delimitation should be used to properly identify the councils actions. At the time I can remember arguing with those that went onto form this site, that correct termanology should be used but have since agreed that the term deregulation (although still used to describe the privatisation of the bus industry) could be considered confusing so in the interest of good form, when I first came on here I complied with the termanology being used.

Appart from that everything you say is as in your own interest as what I say is in mine, oh sorry I forgot I'm not a plateholder anymore and any re-restriction would see me unable to return to the HC trade should I wish to do so, never mind though I could be equally gainfully self employed as a PH driver couldn't I.

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I said the owners of the site TDO, and I mean't before this site was online.

I said an absolute age ago on TTF that Gateshead Council had deregulated, prior to the OFT that was the termanology used.

The owners of this site (I do know who they are) said at that time that the term Deregulation was being banded about as a scaremongering tactic by the HC trade and the words derestriction or delimitation should be used to properly identify the councils actions. At the time I can remember arguing with those that went onto form this site, that correct termanology should be used but have since agreed that the term deregulation (although still used to describe the privatisation of the bus industry) could be considered confusing so in the interest of good form, when I first came on here I complied with the termanology being used.



There's some truth in what you say, but most of it is misleading, as per the following:

- To term 'deregulation' is still used by many parties to inaccurately describe the removal of numerical controls as before OFT. But it's a bit unaccurate to say that prior to OFT that was the terminology being used, since practice varied - for example some LAs simply used deregulation, whereas some used de-limitation. I don't think derestriction was used much before OFT - as I said I certainly didn't use it once in my 750 posts on TTF. I've started using the term derestriction since OFT and Govt started to use it.

- So to that extent I can't fathom your statement: "The term derestriction was born from the keyboard of the owners of this site".

- When I started posting on forums I used the term 'de-limitation', but it certainly wasn't invented by me or anyone else who has anything to do with this site - I think it was used by some LAs, for example, but where exactly the term came from I don't know.

- I disagree with your assertion that we claimed that the term deregulation was used for scaremongering purposes. Indeed, I think it was in some cases, but it was also used merely because its usage had become commonplace - I don't think there was any ulterior motive behind it - it's the same when the press use the word taxi to describe a PH - it's not entirely accurate, but I don't think the press are necessarily being deliberately misleading, they're just using the word in its colloquial sense.

- Yes I agree that the concepts of deregulation and privatisation are completely different but are often used inaccurately in relation to the bus industry.

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Appart from that everything you say is as in your own interest as what I say is in mine, oh sorry I forgot I'm not a plateholder anymore and any re-restriction would see me unable to return to the HC trade should I wish to do so, never mind though I could be equally gainfully self employed as a PH driver couldn't I.



I don't know what you mean about my own interest, as I've always said I've only ever had one plate in an unrestricted area.

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Gateshead Angel wrote:
I said the owners of the site TDO, and I mean't before this site was online.

The owners of this site (I do know who they are)


Well I'm intrigued, because 'ownership of the site' is a pretty vague phrase given the complexity of the law in these areas, so I'd be interested to know what you mean by that and who the people involved are.

To be honest I don't really know who owns the site in the technical sense, and I'm not really that bothered, but your views would certainly be interesting.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:19 am 
Listen TDO, I post on the situation as I see it, you do likewise as do most other posters.

If you can't accept peoples honest account of their own circumstances then really you have no place on a discussion forum.


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Listen TDO, I post on the situation as I see it, you do likewise as do most other posters.

If you can't accept peoples honest account of their own circumstances then really you have no place on a discussion forum.


So I take it that your evasive answer means:

1 I was right all along
2 You don't want to answer the points I raised.

That's quite all right, but perhaps you should just refrain from answering insteading of trying to twist things to say that it's me at fault!!

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If you can't accept peoples honest account of their own circumstances then really you have no place on a discussion forum.


If YOU can't accept people pointing out that you're spreading misinformation (whether honestly or otherwise) then it's YOU that has no place on a discussion forum.

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Deregulation isn't a good term, but in any case its exact meaning wasn't the point in issue, it was the connection between deregulation of numbers and this leading to a trade full of [edited by admin] etc!!
To which I replied it is full of [edited by admin] like on here.


If this site is full of [edited by admin] I bet you're glad you got booted, Mr Marchant. I'm sure a top class cabby like you wouldn't like to be seen associating with the likes of the [edited by admin] on TDO. I'm sure you won't have much trouble finding a new home for your subtle wit, that’s providing you ever learn how to string two complete sentences together.

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