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I knew a bloke whose Granddad was hung, the story was he found his mistress in bed with someone and went away to get a knife, he eventually stabbed the poor bloke to death, the story is if he just found a knife in the house he would have been spared, but because he went away get the murder weapon and came back its worse then just killing him there and then.

He was hung on Christmas Eve, nothing like thinking of the family he left behind them days.

Going back to the turn of the century of course, but.....


Killing is wrong, its not only wrong its sick, state killing is worse because the state have much more time than someone scorned or ill would ever have.

Bring it back for child killers, rapists and murderers.

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Assuming the system of deciding guilt was infallible. I fail to see what executing the perpetrator of the crime achieves.

I think there is ample evidence to suggest that execution doesn't work as a deterrent.

So just how do you expect society to benefit from killing people?

Although I am against it I am not so sure.

Back when I was a lad we had the death penalty, in the whole of Britain 11/12 murders per year..................yes per year, so food for thought.

Was it a deterrent! I suppose at the time and in that era it was, and then I look at the USA, who have it in some states and not in others and their crime rate is horrendous. You then have some of the Arabic states who will behead, and I think that you will find that their system as barbaric as it is keeps crime down.

The bottom line is that there is a downside, and a very big one at that.

If it is not execution then it should mean that you never come out.

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When someone had taken away your nearest and dearest, sometimes in the most horrendous of ways, the death penalty just isn't enough.

Why should they live?

A victim of murder is someone's family member, someone's friend, someone's acquaintance. Why should that someone have a penalty imposed on them for the rest of their life, whilst the perpetrator continues to live?

Call that justice?

Are we so weak a society now that true justice no longer county?

An eye for an eye, I say.

I am convinced that the re-introduction of the death penalty will within a matter of just a few years drag our society back from the abyss and back into a respectful one.

I would also introduce chain gangs, with the criminals smashing 100 ton boulders into brick size pieces, just for the fun of it, using nothing but a 14 pound shedge-hammer. Work them 14 hours a day with just two, 10 minute breaks and have them walking from the prison for 5 miles or so there and back instead of TVs, videos, pool, wacky-backy, etc.

Our society is now reaping what we have sown; crap justices creates no discipline, no respect.

We've all created the crass society we now live in by being collectively weak towards criminals.

It's all our fault and we collectively continue to puke our excuses as to why we are soft as linseed oil saturated putty towards those that should permanently have no place in our society and those whose lives should be extinguished!!

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How can you draw comparisons between when you were a “lad,” America, as a western legal system that still uses capital punishment, and Arabic States, which operate oppressive regimes with legal systems that are a joke?

Surely, the answer is simple. If the death penalty worked as a deterrent, it would be working in America. The fact that "death row" is full of people waiting to be executed can only prove one thing, it doesn't work.


So back to my original question, what does killing people actually achieve for society?

Ah that's more like it Brummie, back to the good old days when public hangings were all the rage. I even remember popping down to the market to buy myself a couple of Niggers, for work doing around the house. A hard days work for a damn good flogging that's what I use to say. Coming to think about it, I'm sure I've still got a child stuck up my chimney.

You can only compare whether a death penalty works or not if you either bring back hanging where there is no capital punishment, or abolish capital punishment where there is.

Only then will you be able to compare, once sufficient time has elapsed to make comparison.

All I know is that in the UK, murder is now almost common place, whereas decades ago before hanging was abolished it was almost a rarety. So from that point of view it would seem that the re-introduction of capital punishment is likely to reverse the situation we now have.

If fire was cold, we would all put our hand in it, but it's not. It's hot, it hurts, we know it hurts, so guess what?

We don't put our hands in fires!!

As for capital punishment in the countries you gave as examples; you would only know if it works or not in those countries if you abolished it there and then allowed a sufficient amount of time to elapse for a comparison to be made.

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No answer then?

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And what of the other factors since the early 60's?
Most murders these days are drug related. Would you like to string up all the junkies as well?

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And the drug dealers too!!

And I'll put the noose around the neck and pull the trap door lever on that one!!!

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That is what they call collateral!!

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How much collateral is acceptable?

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Basically at the time it worked in this country. I suppose that you also have to balance it against the fact that we had not long come out of a war, and that people had seen more than enough killing.

With America they have a different mentality altogether and are still very much "Wild West/Gung Ho". This would have to be put into perspective by saying...............how much more worse would it be without "The Death penalty"

The Arabic justice/system may seem a joke and for that matter the likes of Singapore, but they do not take lightly the fact that it is not safe to walk the streets. My accountant is an Iranian lady who goes out to Dubai for her vacation, and tells me that she will often go for a walk at midnight and has never felt threatened.

We cannot say the same for this country, so maybe we should try to learn from them, because ours is broken.

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